Originally posted by Sgforum King:if u are firing bullets at me, i wan to clear some misunderstanding, i only dislike christians which rooney9 stated and missionaries that have alternate goals
nope, i am not firing bullets are you.... you are not the first to object to Christians... even here in Eternal hope.
fact remains that the allegations are always the same.... those who believe in some religion are either brain-washed or too stupid to think.
fact also is that such arguments, including this one, will lead to nowhere. i've participated in enough of such arguments to know that it is pointless.
Originally posted by ƒlame:I rmb that Singapore invited Prophet T.B Joshua here to talk about Christ around two years ago ? It was a grand event and Prophet Joshua drive out alot of spirits that are bothering people's life.
and how do you it wasnt fake? u can see the ghost disappear?
Originally posted by Sgforum King:people always base it on no.1
and i always tell them this kind of God is a jealous God not a benevolent God
well, if there is a god.... then too bad lor.... the Bible did have a verse stating that God is a jealous God.... then those who believe will be saved and those who don't believe don't get saved.... and to borrow a rude hokkien phrase... lun lun... go corner and suck thumb.
but if there is no god, we all will die and disappear.....
either way, we cannot come back and prove anything to anyone.....
Originally posted by Sgforum King:and how do you it wasnt fake? u can see the ghost disappear?
100000 people can't be wrong, if you check the background of the people who are bother spiritual, you will find out the truth. This is the problem with people, they will always find ways to denied the existence of God.
Originally posted by Sgforum King:not much can be said for yourself. can u prove God's existence? The bible is beating round the bush and baseless allegations? i dun recall the bible being proved to the world as real as well as God.
Ha..ha.. of course the existence of God can be proved but will you accept ? Just like now you are telling lies and it is so obvious but you prefer to remain in self denial...
And what I asked you to prove and what you are asking me are 2 different things altogether....you are making baseless allegations and lies about some good people out there helping the needy....
Originally posted by Sgforum King:not much can be said for yourself. can u prove God's existence? The bible is beating round the bush and baseless allegations? i dun recall the bible being proved to the world as real as well as God.
actually, take a step back....
my personal opinion is, we need to convince ourselves that there is a supernatural realm.... or not.
if we say that there is NO supernatural realm.... how then can we account for the paranomal activities which have been recorded....
Originally posted by ƒlame:100000 people can't be wrong, if you check the background of the people who are bother spiritual, you will find out the truth. This is the problem with people, they will always find ways to denied the existence of God.
and also some people who will always tell people that God exists. Of course, its all in the mind if u look into the scientifical concept. there are more than 6 billion people on earth. what does that make of it?
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
well, if there is a god.... then too bad lor.... the Bible did have a verse stating that God is a jealous God.... then those who believe will be saved and those who don't believe don't get saved.... and to borrow a rude hokkien phrase... lun lun... go corner and suck thumb.but if there is no god, we all will die and disappear.....
either way, we cannot come back and prove anything to anyone.....
i rather go to hell then go to heaven then.
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:Ha..ha.. of course the existence of God can be proved but will you accept ? Just like now you are telling lies and it is so obvious but you prefer to remain in self denial...
And what I asked you to prove and what you are asking me are 2 different things altogether....you are making baseless allegations and lies about some good people out there helping the needy....
seems like u are the one in self-denial now. if it can be proved, the whole world would have becomed christians.
Originally posted by Chin Eng:actually, take a step back....
my personal opinion is, we need to convince ourselves that there is a supernatural realm.... or not.
if we say that there is NO supernatural realm.... how then can we account for the paranomal activities which have been recorded....
What if the supernatural is unrelated to any Gods? What if there is just a soul that comes out of our body after death?
Let's stop this debating. If king still stubbornly refuses to listen to us, I think we can't do anything but to accept that fact. May the Lord work his miracles to you, King.
Originally posted by ƒlame:Let's stop this debating. If king still stubbornly refuses to listen to us, I think we can't do anything but to accept that fact. May the Lord work his miracles to you, King.
u got no prove that ur God exists. i got no prove that God does not exists, yet u said that there is a problem with people and always finds ways to deny the existence of God when u urself is trying to tell people that God exists. Ironic isnt it?
Originally posted by Sgforum King:people always base it on no.1
and i always tell them this kind of God is a jealous God not a benevolent God
Catholics believed that there are salvation outside the Church...and you can go and find out more...if that suits you..
So, there are Christians that believed that non-believers will go to hell and there are those who believed that there is hope for all....and yet there are those who only wants money and believe that God will enrich them etc....
So you have a wide variety to choose from and most (except those who are greedy for money and cults) will teach you to be a good person.
And I think all main stream Churches do teach and respect all faith especially in Singapore. You don't find 1 extreme case and keep harping on it and make it sound as if all are like 1 bad apple.
Originally posted by Sgforum King:seems like u are the one in self-denial now. if it can be proved, the whole world would have becomed christians.
Since when did God or the Bible said that the whole world must be Christians? You lie again?
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:Catholics believed that there are salvation outside the Church...and you can go and find out more...if that suits you..
So, there are Christians that believed that non-believers will go to hell and there are those who believed that there is hope for all....and yet there are those who only wants money and believe that God will enrich them etc....
So you have a wide variety to choose from and most (except those who are greedy for money and cults) will teach you to be a good person.
And I think all main stream Churches do teach and respect all faith especially in Singapore. You don't find 1 extreme case and keep harping on it and make it sound as if all are like 1 bad apple.
I guess u consider urself as a "good" person. From the way u try to counter my "false accusations", the pastors must really be slacking
Originally posted by Sgforum King:u got no prove that ur God exists. i got no prove that God does not exists, yet u said that there is a problem with people and always finds ways to deny the existence of God when u urself is trying to tell people that God exists. Ironic isnt it?
The problem is believing. When you were a christian, didn't you see that your church's people are able to worship and praise the Lord in holy tongue for the whole day ?
Originally posted by Sgforum King:u got no prove that ur God exists. i got no prove that God does not exists, yet u said that there is a problem with people and always finds ways to deny the existence of God when u urself is trying to tell people that God exists. Ironic isnt it?
The irony is that you make baseless allegations and lies about the missionaries which you cannot prove.....and now you want us to prove to you that God exist.
God do exist but you in self denial will not accept it no matter what we said.
Yet, all you did about your baseless allegation and lies is based on ONE friend and ONE photo both which we have yet to see or hear .... and you continue to divert away from your baseless allegations and lies with more lies....which you cannot proved. Not even try to...
Originally posted by ƒlame:The problem is believing. When you were a christian, didn't you see that your church's people are able to worship and praise the Lord in holy tongue for the whole day ?
i can speak in tongue right now without the help of anything. i know how they do it, its just the mentality of thinking that some1 is gonna possess u and speak in tongue. I believed in it once, was a strong believer but i figured out how fake it is.
Originally posted by Sgforum King:I guess u consider urself as a "good" person. From the way u try to counter my "false accusations", the pastors must really be slacking
No, I leave the judgement of me being good or bad to God and what you said is meaningless...and yet again, you make a meaningless post thinking that baseless allegations and lies you said must be countered by a pastor? And which pastor you want to be replying to you?
Just your way to avoid my call for you to substantiate what you said.....try harder
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:The irony is that you make baseless allegations and lies about the missionaries which you cannot prove.....and now you want us to prove to you that God exist.
God do exist but you in self denial will not accept it no matter what we said.
Yet, all you did about your baseless allegation and lies is based on ONE friend and ONE photo both which we have yet to see or hear .... and you continue to divert away from your baseless allegations and lies with more lies....which you cannot proved. Not even try to...
another irony here is that this guy tells me that God do exist but still, he cant prove it.
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:No, I leave the judgement of me being good or bad to God and what you said is meaningless...and yet again, you make a meaningless post thinking that baseless allegations and lies you said must be countered by a pastor? And which pastor you want to be replying to you?
Just your way to avoid my call for you to substantiate what you said.....try harder
another misunderstanding? what i meant to say was that the way u "falsely accuse" me of what i said as a lie. If i was lying, dont u think this is too big of a lie? Why would i lie about something that is happening currently?
Originally posted by Sgforum King:another irony here is that this guy tells me that God do exist but still, he cant prove it.
Aiyah...read my earlier post on this lah...
Originally posted by Sgforum King:i can speak in tongue right now without the help of anything. i know how they do it, its just the mentality of thinking that some1 is gonna possess u and speak in tongue. I believed in it once, was a strong believer but i figured out how fake it is.
Your faith is not enough. You keep questioning doubts about Christ. Being a Christian is all about having faith and live by the Lord's way yet you can't do that. If you even doubt, why should there be blessings for you ?
Originally posted by Sgforum King:I guess u consider urself as a "good" person. From the way u try to counter my "false accusations", the pastors must really be slacking
no offense to anyone... i agree with Sgforum King... tho i only read through the last page...
my opinions are, gods, regardless of exist or not, does not matter. but i personally believe there is no such thing as god, but there is no harm believing in him. i believe that all religion teaches ppl to be good, and i respect that.
my deduction comes from, there are so many different religions, and each religion have their own gods, and i dun think there are so many ppl with such power. in some story, it is said that some religions comes from normal people words and action, the misunderstanding and admiring of the other ppl, and thus resulting in the god that we believe.... what i said might be false, but it could be true too...
there is no such thing as certain in religion, i dare say.. if u want to believe in god, then is ur problem, please do not force ur opinion on others, same for the other side.
also, if any debates continues, please give prove, in this world, no prove no talk.
Originally posted by Sgforum King:another misunderstanding? what i meant to say was that the way u "falsely accuse" me of what i said as a lie. If i was lying, dont u think this is too big of a lie? Why would i lie about something that is happening currently?
If I falsely accuse you of telling a lie, then you prove to me that what you said is true lor...I have been waiting the whole day liao and all you did is divert attention....
And yes, I said many times you are making baseless allegations and lies...
Ok, I am waiting now for you to prove what you said....go on...tell me.