simplified bible
-
this thread is for those who were ex christians,non believers...
in the beginning there was God(for easy differentiation, the more popular name Jehovah will be used)..now Jehovah is very unique...even his name meant he who purpose..now he wanted to share the gift of life..so he started creating...the 1st and only direct creation..his only begotten son..whom people got to knw later as Jesus..
Jehovah and Jesus spent countless ages together..Jesus had the privillage to learn directly from Jehovah..they are the best example of father and son..now Jehovah wanted to make Jesus happy..so they went into plans of further creation...soon..more spirit creatures were created...known as angels..universe, stars,planets were created by Jehovah through the hands of Jesus...
then came earth...where the bible book is eventually written by the hands of men,inspired by Jehovah..now, it was written, Jehovah created everything in 6 days...its impossible if its a day = 24 earth hours..as it will contradict science..the truth is..each day of creation was a long period of time..unknown to be exact how long each "day" was..so 6 such "days" past by and the creation is done with Jehovah resting on the 7th and thus made the number 7 holy.(the idea of each day not a literal days can be found in the prophecy of the rebuilding of the jerusalem temple)
on earth,man was created...adam(not adeline)...soon woe to man(woman) was created to compliment and assist adam..eve(not steve)...a strict law was given them..of all the fruits in eden you may eat to your content.except the fruit from the knowledge of good and bad..even the fruit from the tree of life was allowed...if you eat from the former tree..you will positively die..
meanwhile..in the heavenly realm, there was this cherub..perfect and maybe only second to Jesus..started to feel vain after so many angels looked up to him..he had loved Jehovah so much then..now he wants to have the worship for himself..he wants to be God...he knows if he challenged Jehovah in terms of might there will be no fight..so the crafty guy came to challenge his right to sovereignty..he might have a chance if more agreed that its better for creatures to rule themselves than ruled by Jehovah...off he went to eden and he knew eve didnt had that much time with Jehovah to know enough of him..and twisted his words to lure eve..now eve was vain..she didnt want to be under adam(not in terms of sex position) so she took the forbidden fruit herself first..before she offered it to adam...adam loved her too much..so sinned with her..thus humans were doomed..but the love of God prevailed..he uttered that humans will be saved..the lying serpent will be crushed..
conclusion...Jehovah and Jesus are 2 distinct entities..satan was never named lucifer..humans chose to die...Jehovah still lovingly made leeways for humans to be saved..the 6 days were explained...adam loved eve more than Jehovah...
though the name Jehovah was used..it has nothing to do with christian group known as Jehovah Witnesses
-
for interested parties who wished to know more about what is churches doctrine and what is God's teachings..pls ask questions..will try to answer as best as i can...
-
John chapter 1, refering to Jesus
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
-
no lar refering to john himself...not jesus...sigh...no people to follow him then no money ..mah
==================================================================
There is no such thing as 'GOD'.But there are human;if you have been reading my message or saw this.You are indeed ahuman begin with red color blood flow in your body.Therefore ,i urge everyone of them to stand up for humanity against the craps of nonsense and insanity of christainity .secondly; i urge you diligentily to stop pronation of your hand with dollars to supination hands of crapping idoits who increasing of their own wealth by just opening their mouth to talk craps.Finally,i urge you to believe in yourself of begin who you are and what you are,science and social pyscholoy .The further is in your hand for the sake of human race.ONCE against i urge the entire population of human race to stand up and resistant this bullshit and holycrap religion.they are the money sucker and hunger wolf.They don't even know whether they will or will not go a better place after dead.what they know is bullshit from the so call bible written by man? I diligent urge you not to believe in them and begin manipulated by them.
-
Originally posted by don1266:
John chapter 1, refering to Jesus
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
yep..totally in line with what i had said..all were made through Jesus..
-
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
yep..totally in line with what i had said..all were made through Jesus..
don't think oso it is about john...
-
Originally posted by Joolead:
don't think oso it is about john...
well, john was still poor throughout his life isnt it??
-
cos nobody follow him mah...so he has to around to make people believe him ..
-
Originally posted by Joolead:
cos nobody follow him mah...so he has to around to make people believe him ..
Jesus and the fishing club...
-
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
Jesus and the fishing club...
You mean the Christian Hookers for men is also instituted by Jesus Christ? -
Jamaican Bible
-
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
first part says that all things were made thru Jesus, while the second part says that, all created things, were created thru Jesus, therefor, Jesus is not a created being but God.
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [emphasis mine]
-
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
You mean the Christian Hookers for men is also instituted by Jesus Christ?did you meant temple prostitudes???i dont know how you got the idea and put it into my mouth since i made no mention of women except eve..i will have to say no..
temple prostitudes are paganistic..rebuked by Jesus
-
Originally posted by don1266:
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
first part says that all things were made thru Jesus, while the second part says that, all created things, were created thru Jesus, therefor, Jesus is not a created being but God.
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [emphasis mine]
precisely..through Jesus...Gid was using Jesus as a master craftsman...if you look at alot of other translation..especially original texts..it will be translated as the word was a god..a god is surely different from the God...
and seriously..no christians showed me the verse where Jesus claim he is Yahweh/Jehovah..not even that he claim he is God..all only points to Jesus submitting to the abba father..no1 can be his own father..and God cannot be subjecting himself to someone else..
-
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
did you meant temple prostitudes???i dont know how you got the idea and put it into my mouth since i made no mention of women except eve..i will have to say no..
temple prostitudes are paganistic..rebuked by Jesus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flirty_fishingAccording to this dogma, it is accepted by Christ.
-
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flirty_fishingAccording to this dogma, it is accepted by Christ.
HZ..i had high regards for you..according to the dogs from the dogma.i seriously cant believe you would believe in those fools..its blatantly written in the bible Jesus chase off the merchants and temple whores..so would you tell me then with news reports that Jesus and Jehovah/Yahweh accepts gays since catholic priests tend to screw boys??
-
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
HZ..i had high regards for you..according to the dogs from the dogma.i seriously cant believe you would believe in those fools..its blatantly written in the bible Jesus chase off the merchants and temple whores..so would you tell me then with news reports that Jesus and Jehovah/Yahweh accepts gays since catholic priests tend to screw boys??
I neither trust the church nor the bible as I can't even trust god. -
John 5
16So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. 17Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." 18For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
-
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
I neither trust the church nor the bible as I can't even trust god.bro..i totally understand what you mean..let time prove things on its own. =)
though you might hate the idea of God..but i dont think you are evil =) so just keep doing good =)
-
Originally posted by don1266:
John 5
16So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. 17Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." 18For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
but he was even calling God his own father....making himself equal to God was because he said that he too am working even now..and the pharisees had to find words to twist to make it a henious crime is it not?
-
Acts 2
21And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.' 22"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,[d] put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. 25David said about him:
" 'I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.Psalms 16
8 I have set the LORD always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.Strong's H3068 - YÄ•hovah
-
Originally posted by don1266:
Acts 2
21And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.' 22"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,[d] put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. 25David said about him:
" 'I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.Psalms 16
8 I have set the LORD always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.Strong's H3068 - YÄ•hovah
thanks for the supporting verse..accredited to him..do this and that through him..raised him from the dead..handed over to you men by God..it shows so clearly Jesus cannot be God..
-
John 1:1 the Word was GOD
John 8:58 ... before Abraham was born, I am.
John 20:28 Thomas said, "my Lord, and my GOD"
Revelation 1:8; 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega
-
Originally posted by don1266:
John 1:1 the Word was GOD
John 8:58 ... before Abraham was born, I am.
John 20:28 Thomas said, "my Lord, and my GOD"
Revelation 1:8; 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega
the word was a god which was discussed..before abraham Jesus was already around..1st born remember??even satan was around before abraham..
Jesus is the first creature..he is also the abandon who holds the key to finish off death..
john says my lord...looking at Jesus..and my God..mind thinking of Yahweh...logical aint it??
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "......john 20:17..now if Jesus is God..why would he say that??he would say he is returning to himself isnt it??or he is going home to be God..but no..he said he is going back to his father, his God..Jesus recognize Jehovah as his God..
-
Simplified bible or not, just crap la! why even bother to start such hopeless topic