is it sin if you disobey the ten commandments.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Yes, Jesus was tempted by the Devil in the desert.Again my unanswered question is, "But God is free from temptations"
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Originally posted by hamidisaidi:
AhCye...Jesus was tempted? I thought he's God...free from temptations?
There's a difference between temptations and sin...
Let's suppose here that we all agree that cheating is sin. So let's say you're playing a game and someone in your team urge you to cheat so that you can win. That someone is tempting you. If you go along with the suggestion to cheat, then it is sin. But if you choose to hold back and play the game by the rules, then you've resisted temptation and therefore have not sin.
So in the same way, Jesus was tempted, but He resisted those temptations and did not sin.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
How about removing the part of your brains that is connected to lust?
I guess if that part of the brain is removed, then there's no procreation...I believe that in God's creation of us, the desire for the opposite sex is part of the "design". Which means that it is natural that we are attracted to the opposite sex and that desire ought to be channelled to, and focused on, our spouses.
However, I suppose it is easier said than done. Not only there's easy access to porn, but even normal magazine ads and media tends to "sexualise" their models :(
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
Christianity is more than obeying the 10 commandment
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
I know it is there since the hormones are triggered, but due to my disease, the neurons flow are blocked.
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Originally posted by AhChye:
So are you triggered or not?
I can feel the hormones being triggered but no registration on my mind. -
Originally posted by AhChye:
I guess if that part of the brain is removed, then there's no procreation...I believe that in God's creation of us, the desire for the opposite sex is part of the "design". Which means that it is natural that we are attracted to the opposite sex and that desire ought to be channelled to, and focused on, our spouses.
However, I suppose it is easier said than done. Not only there's easy access to porn, but even normal magazine ads and media tends to "sexualise" their models :(
Actually it's simpler.Bisexual organisms can multiply itself faster than asexual ones. Most likely due to compartmentalising the reproductive process.
Rather than that of the human's idea of intelligent design, the bisexual organisms simply outbred the asexual ones and given its larger numbers/possibilities has a better chance of evolving over the asexual ones.
Maybe 50,000 years ago, there might have been a strain of humans that was smarter in every way, devoid of the need for excessive material needs and physical lusts.
Unfortunately, they would be outbred and wiped out by the strain that is extremely violent, with a love for indulging in rape and murder . Dependant on the high from particpating in violent and dangerous endavours.
Want to make a guess on which one we descend from?
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Originally posted by AhChye:
There's a difference between temptations and sin...
Let's suppose here that we all agree that cheating is sin. So let's say you're playing a game and someone in your team urge you to cheat so that you can win. That someone is tempting you. If you go along with the suggestion to cheat, then it is sin. But if you choose to hold back and play the game by the rules, then you've resisted temptation and therefore have not sin.
So in the same way, Jesus was tempted, but He resisted those temptations and did not sin.
That applies ONLY to men like us.....whereas God should be free from temptations right? Someone is tempting you is not the same as you are tempted. to have temptations means you have such thoughts to sin. Which means you have a choice to make, to do good or bad. So are we implying God have these thoughts in Him? That He have choices to make between good and bad? If so, then i think we are mocking God coz like i said, God is free from temptations, thus free from such thoughts.
If we are free from such thoughts, if someone tempt us, we will dismiss it immeditely without thinking of going the bad route. If we think of going the bad route means we are having temptations. Thus ths implies Jesus have such thoughts, but he eventually choose the right path.
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Futhermore, Jesus was tempted by Devil? Devil tempting God? And The Devil asked Jesus to worhip him....Devil asking God to worship Him?
My apologies if i sound offensive...but we are created with brains to think and be curious so i am naturally curious coz things doesnt seem to add up.
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Originally posted by hamidisaidi:
Futhermore, Jesus was tempted by Devil? Devil tempting God? And The Devil asked Jesus to worhip him....Devil asking God to worship Him?
My apologies if i sound offensive...but we are created with brains to think and be curious so i am naturally curious coz things doesnt seem to add up.
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Originally posted by AhChye:
I guess if that part of the brain is removed, then there's no procreation...I believe that in God's creation of us, the desire for the opposite sex is part of the "design". Which means that it is natural that we are attracted to the opposite sex and that desire ought to be channelled to, and focused on, our spouses.
However, I suppose it is easier said than done. Not only there's easy access to porn, but even normal magazine ads and media tends to "sexualise" their models :(
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Go read the new testament in the Bible.New Testament? there is a difference between the Testaments? God changes his words and inpsire the writer of the New Testament? Or man changes the writing to suits him? So u telling me the Old Testament is not reliable? Don't you find all these different versions of the Bible with different accounts of same events puzzling? If a man go to court and tells 2 diff versions of the same story, he is deemed unreliable. Can we apply this to the Bible?
Out of curiousity, what does the New Testament say of this event?
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Originally posted by hamidisaidi:
Futhermore, Jesus was tempted by Devil? Devil tempting God? And The Devil asked Jesus to worhip him....Devil asking God to worship Him?
My apologies if i sound offensive...but we are created with brains to think and be curious so i am naturally curious coz things doesnt seem to add up.
if you know the story of lucifer, you will know that lucifer's wants the throne of God. he wants to be God. so it is not surprising that the devil would tempt Jesus who was in his weak state ( in man's form) that's how the devil sees God. he sees himself higher than God.
you are correct that God is free from temptation. Jesus is God and he is also Man. Fully divine and fully man. Jesus has two natures. so being sinless but still was temptde in his human nature.
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Originally posted by xalkyrie:
if you know the story of lucifer, you will know that lucifer's wants the throne of God. he wants to be God. so it is not surprising that the devil would tempt Jesus who was in his weak state ( in man's form) that's how the devil sees God. he sees himself higher than God.
you are correct that God is free from temptation. Jesus is God and he is also Man. Fully divine and fully man. Jesus has two natures. so being sinless but still was temptde in his human nature.
Jesus is a man and God..i dont get that? So there is another God when Jesus is doing his part as man? So there are 2 Gods?
Lucifer wants the throne of God? So he saw an opportunity to overtake God when God is man? Can we actually believe God will put himself into a state of weakness so that the Devil can try to do that? God created the Devil, not to tempt himself but to tempt man.
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Originally posted by hamidisaidi:
Jesus is a man and God..i dont get that? So there is another God when Jesus is doing his part as man? So there are 2 Gods?
Lucifer wants the throne of God? So he saw an opportunity to overtake God when God is man? Can we actually believe God will put himself into a state of weakness so that the Devil can try to do that? God created the Devil, not to tempt himself but to tempt man.
we believe in the Trinity. the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. all 3 forms are fully God but they are one. There is ONLY 1 God. our knowledge is limited as human it is beyond our comprehension. just like a sun, it's heat and light are 1 but in 3 different forms.
Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)
"He who has seen Me has seen the Father." (John 14:9)
If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (Rom. 8:9)
and no God did NOT create the devil. God created Lucifer, an angel of God. he brought a third of angels together with him to rebellion against God and thus all of them were cast down on earth.
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Dear All,
As posted in another topic, I admit, my intention here is to discuss but it seems like this have turned to into an endless and pointless 'flaming' topic.
Let me say this for one last time here. We are one; in our path towards God and Heaven. We come from the same origins. As we are all brothers and sisters, i have nothing but love to all those sincere God-fearing Christianss
My sincerest apologies to everybody to whom i have offended.
For that, i have decided to leave before I say something i should not say and aggravate the situation.
P.S : xalkyrie, Herzog_Zwei, Stevenson101, thanks for the company guys...Great that we can have healthy non-confrontational discussions...i hope i have not offended any of you guys.
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Originally posted by hamidisaidi:
Dear All,
As posted in another topic, I admit, my intention here is to discuss but it seems like this have turned to into an endless and pointless 'flaming' topic.
Let me say this for one last time here. We are one; in our path towards God and Heaven. We come from the same origins. As we are all brothers and sisters, i have nothing but love to all those sincere God-fearing Christianss
My sincerest apologies to everybody to whom i have offended.
For that, i have decided to leave before I say something i should not say and aggravate the situation.
P.S : xalkyrie, Herzog_Zwei, Stevenson101, thanks for the company guys...Great that we can have healthy non-confrontational discussions...i hope i have not offended any of you guys.
hi thanks for staying and for the discussions. and sadly to say whether you want to hear this or not, no we are not walking in the same path as i was trying to tell you.
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Originally posted by xalkyrie:
hi thanks for staying and for the discussions. and sadly to say whether you want to hear this or not, no we are not walking in the same path as i was trying to tell you.
Brother, we ARE one. As i was saying, in our origins and struggle to reach Heaven even though we have our differences.
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Both are you are worshiping the same God isn't it? Yeesh.