$ 25,000 to build a Church
-
It costs only $25,000 to build a small church building in a third world country.
It costs $25,000,000 to build a church building in Singapore.
Build one Singapore church building = can put up 1000 third world church buildings.......
So fund raising to build church in Singapore ......why not raise funds to build in third world countries also?
-
Originally posted by Dr Who:
It costs only $25,000 to build a small church building in a third world country.
It costs $25,000,000 to build a church building in Singapore.
Build one Singapore church building = can put up 1000 third world church buildings.......
So fund raising to build church in Singapore ......why not raise funds to build in third world countries also?
your assumption is that there are NO churches built in third world country? perhaps you'd like to do more research before shooting off your mouth like this.there are many churches growing in third world countries because of efforts by churches in Singapore.
my own church is building these small churches in Fujian and we have a missionary/social concern/medical team that goes Batam weekly to do good work.
... i cannot comment on why a mega-church will want to spend, as you say, $25,000,000 for a super structure in Singapore. they will have to account to God their own way.
-
there are churches in 3rd world countries. look at hong kong, africa, china
-
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
there are churches in 3rd world countries. look at hong kong, africa, china
Hong Kong third world country meh??? -
hahaha..HK 3rd world.. den sg what world??undiscovered ruins? hehe..agree with Chin, mega churches will account to God..
-
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
Hong Kong third world country meh???hmm did u see their living state?
their apartments very small and jialat wan, unless u're very rich. so.. i consider them.... 2nd world la.
lol anyway my point is.. in hong kong, churches are like plants. they are EVERYWHERE! small churches here and there.
hmm, yeah, they will account to God, but personally i don't think it's a "bad" thing you know.
humans we look at things at a human perspective.. we see things in from a limited resources viewpoint. so we will say things like, shouldn't spend money like that, it can be spent elsewhere.. etc. But God isn't limited ah.. I don't think just because there are 2-3 mega churches in singapore, the churches in the 3rd world countries are gonna starve and die out. God provided the mega churches the means to be a mega church, He will provide for the churches in the 3rd world countries too. =)
-
CE, so your church goes to Batam. That's one island in 17,000 islands in Indonesia. how about the other 16,999 islands?
For your info, there are 200+ churches in Batam. There are at least 3 Bible Colleges there and several Christian bookshops. There are also Chinese speaking churches there. Batam is not really in need of outside missionaries........
Please do not accuse others of shooting their mouths......
-
Originally posted by Dr Who:
CE, so your church goes to Batam. That's one island in 17,000 islands in Indonesia. how about the other 16,999 islands?
For your info, there are 200+ churches in Batam. There are at least 3 Bible Colleges there and several Christian bookshops. There are also Chinese speaking churches there. Batam is not really in need of outside missionaries........
Please do not accuse others of shooting their mouths......
unfortunately... christians are only asked to sow the seeds, water the plants.. God is the one who makes everything grow. =)
God, in his own timing, will make the churches everywhere grow, so long christians continue to sow and water the seeds.
i think you're looking at the perspective on human effort. like.. we're the ones who did everything etc. "wah, we only go batam, 1 island.. the other 16,999 cham liao" u know? =) don't worry.. I think God's not an inactive God, He's active in mission work too. in His time, as long as there are sowers, He will make things grow. who knows? maybe 20 years time, batam christians will double the number? =)
Again, like i said above. christians should switch from their "limited resources" mindset to God's "limitedless resources" mindset. not that we're suppose to be spendtrift, but don't be worried about running out, if it's for God.
-
Okkayy... let's relook the original question again....
Originally posted by Dr Who:It costs only $25,000 to build a small church building in a third world country.
It costs $25,000,000 to build a church building in Singapore.
Build one Singapore church building = can put up 1000 third world church buildings.......
So fund raising to build church in Singapore ......why not raise funds to build in third world countries also?
It seems to me that the intent of this thread is to ask: why isn't funds raise to build churches in third world countries.
The question, it seems, is NOT, why aren't ALL the 3rd world countries reached in totality.
So, that being the case:
Originally posted by Dr Who:CE, so your church goes to Batam. That's one island in 17,000 islands in Indonesia. how about the other 16,999 islands?
For your info, there are 200+ churches in Batam. There are at least 3 Bible Colleges there and several Christian bookshops. There are also Chinese speaking churches there. Batam is not really in need of outside missionaries........
Please do not accuse others of shooting their mouths......
Since you have already done your research.... then your research has already invalidated your original question because it has already been answered. To query over the number of islands that exist in the Indonesian archipelago and why isn't all of them reached is really nit-picking.... only yesterday, the newspaper reported a previous unknown tribe in South America....
but perhaps, the intent of your question is NOT about the $25,000 economy-class church, but the $25,000,000 first-class church.
If that is your intent, then you should GO to the first-class church and ask them why not spend their money in another way.
It's their money, they can spend it the way THEY see fit. Having said that, they will still need to account their expenditure with the master auditor in heaven.
-
rather than churches being built no matter where...is not witnessing to the masses more important??worse come to worse, the believers can squeeze in some borthers' or sisters' house and hold meetings to worship God and learn more about him isnt it?
-
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
rather than churches being built no matter where...is not witnessing to the masses more important??worse come to worse, the believers can squeeze in some borthers' or sisters' house and hold meetings to worship God and learn more about him isnt it?
yup. but i think the point is that christians should switch from the needy mindset la. Christianity all over the world isn't going to die off because of a 25,000,000 building or two.
-
though true that as time goes by, people wants not only a church where they can worship God and at they same time congregate to support fellow bros and sis and interact. but also treat it as a chill out place. but maybe cuz prop prices in sg and more developed country more ex.. tats why we see 25m is alot.
but the way megachurches goes, its another story all together.
-
I feel that it is not neccessary for a church to have a physical building. I'd rather use that money to fund missionaries and send church members overseas to help reach out to non-believers. I mean isn't that what God commanded us to do? To preach the gospel to the nations (Matthew 28:19,20) and not cosy up in our nice comfy church building and give each other holy hugs.
And I sometimes don't really agree at the way megachurches work. I agree with what domonkassyu posted.
"rather than churches being built no matter where...is not witnessing to the masses more important??worse come to worse, the believers can squeeze in some borthers' or sisters' house and hold meetings to worship God and learn more about him isnt it?"
The most important thing is reaching out to the masses!
-
Originally posted by Denise.marilyn:
I feel that it is not neccessary for a church to have a physical building. I'd rather use that money to fund missionaries and send church members overseas to help reach out to non-believers. I mean isn't that what God commanded us to do? To preach the gospel to the nations (Matthew 28:19,20) and not cosy up in our nice comfy church building and give each other holy hugs.
And I sometimes don't really agree at the way megachurches work. I agree with what domonkassyu posted.
"rather than churches being built no matter where...is not witnessing to the masses more important??worse come to worse, the believers can squeeze in some borthers' or sisters' house and hold meetings to worship God and learn more about him isnt it?"
The most important thing is reaching out to the masses!
hihi..thanks for the support..however, congregating among brothers and sisters are very impt as written in the bible too. it is where fellow christians can support each other and urge each other to move on.
-
Originally posted by Denise.marilyn:
I feel that it is not neccessary for a church to have a physical building. I'd rather use that money to fund missionaries and send church members overseas to help reach out to non-believers. I mean isn't that what God commanded us to do? To preach the gospel to the nations (Matthew 28:19,20) and not cosy up in our nice comfy church building and give each other holy hugs.
And I sometimes don't really agree at the way megachurches work. I agree with what domonkassyu posted.
"rather than churches being built no matter where...is not witnessing to the masses more important??worse come to worse, the believers can squeeze in some borthers' or sisters' house and hold meetings to worship God and learn more about him isnt it?"
The most important thing is reaching out to the masses!
lol.. u speak as if mega churches aren't reaching out to the mass.
what i don't understand is why.. humans always look at situations in this manner "if i have this, i cannot have that" vice versa.
is it tt impossible to have both?
-
is it really neccessary to build a commercialised church? are not the funds put to better use better?
with regards to mega churches, i have nothing against them( i sound convincing?) but just think back on JC..what he did to temples of his time. those were definatly "mega churches" back then.
if the church/temple we build now is according to what God views as acceptable. then build it as big as possible oso can.
-
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
is it really neccessary to build a commercialised church? are not the funds put to better use better?
with regards to mega churches, i have nothing against them( i sound convincing?) but just think back on JC..what he did to temples of his time. those were definatly "mega churches" back then.
if the church/temple we build now is according to what God views as acceptable. then build it as big as possible oso can.
hmm i think of it in this perspective.
if the mega churches are only interested in building big buildings, and not doing the work of God, then it's a problem
but if they are, i think it doesn't matter if they build nice buildings or not.
sure, the problem is ppl keep talking about the funds for the church building could be better used elsewhere, but these people forget to put God in the equation, so starts nit picking
God willing, He will provide.
-
I feel more can be done with the funds that the church receive. I believe if the funds are used for outreach work, I believe God would be equally as pleased rather than build a nice church building.
Like recently I heard, one of the megachurches actually asked their people to contribute to their building fund when their church is already so big and nice! Is it really necessary? Wouldn't it be better to split the church up, appoint pastors to lead them and move to other places in Singapore? By doing this, we can reach out to masses even more effectively! I've always thought, the smaller a church, the better. I come from a small church, but we relate to other churches as well. And my pastor really interacts with every one of us personally, even making time to meet for lunch!
If a church gets too big, how can the pastors effectively relate to his or her members? A church = spiritual family. I've heard from friends that their pastors don't help them as much (i'm not talking about helping financially) or have the time for fellowship.
I don't know what megachurches are interested in doing anymore, even if they say its God's work, it doesn't seem like it to me. It's like there is ulterior motives. Anyone from a megachurch care to share?
-
i went to CH before..scared shit out of me..i thought i was clubbing day time. their worships songs are rock..dont really think its appropriate for worship. if truly they are doing God's word. i wonder who their god is. i ever heard of this "heretic" group known as JW. heard they got "churches" known as kingdom hall which can be very big and well equipped yet unlike mega churches..im gonna take a look in there soon..
so long as the worship is acceptable to God, im sure no matter if its a big or small building, christians will prosper with the spiritual food provided. if its big but not doing God's word then whats the point?
-
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
i went to CH before..scared shit out of me..i thought i was clubbing day time. their worships songs are rock..dont really think its appropriate for worship. if truly they are doing God's word. i wonder who their god is. i ever heard of this "heretic" group known as JW. heard they got "churches" known as kingdom hall which can be very big and well equipped yet unlike mega churches..im gonna take a look in there soon..
so long as the worship is acceptable to God, im sure no matter if its a big or small building, christians will prosper with the spiritual food provided. if its big but not doing God's word then whats the point?
lol.. what God thinks of their worship.. may differ from your personal opinion.
the JW are heretics because of their.. teachings, not because of their buildings, i believe.
tts why i say.. how sure are you that they are big AND not doing God's work? christians will prosper if they abide in Jesus and He abides in them. it's a christian's individual responsibility to keep abiding in Christ, the church can help with the growth, but the church isn't responsible for the growth.
-
Originally posted by Denise.marilyn:
I feel more can be done with the funds that the church receive. I believe if the funds are used for outreach work, I believe God would be equally as pleased rather than build a nice church building.
Like recently I heard, one of the megachurches actually asked their people to contribute to their building fund when their church is already so big and nice! Is it really necessary? Wouldn't it be better to split the church up, appoint pastors to lead them and move to other places in Singapore? By doing this, we can reach out to masses even more effectively! I've always thought, the smaller a church, the better. I come from a small church, but we relate to other churches as well. And my pastor really interacts with every one of us personally, even making time to meet for lunch!
If a church gets too big, how can the pastors effectively relate to his or her members? A church = spiritual family. I've heard from friends that their pastors don't help them as much (i'm not talking about helping financially) or have the time for fellowship.
I don't know what megachurches are interested in doing anymore, even if they say its God's work, it doesn't seem like it to me. It's like there is ulterior motives. Anyone from a megachurch care to share?
if God isn't happy with what they do, they will account for it ah. but if God isn't happy with what they do, He wouldn't have used them at all. difficult to say la, right?
-
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
lol.. what God thinks of their worship.. may differ from your personal opinion.
the JW are heretics because of their.. teachings, not because of their buildings, i believe.
tts why i say.. how sure are you that they are big AND not doing God's work? christians will prosper if they abide in Jesus and He abides in them. it's a christian's individual responsibility to keep abiding in Christ, the church can help with the growth, but the church isn't responsible for the growth.
of cuz will differ from my personal opinion mahz..i aint the guy up there.but certain stuffs kinda standard like having a more serious mood when worshipping. its missing from my CH visits.
JW are heretics for teachings yes..building i never heard of..jus added JW cuz i tink they are a queer group of christians. saw one poster from the EH sticky by laoda abt JW invitation..nothing wrong with it..but dun knw wats the fuss about it.
as for teachings, they too like me dun believe in trinity..otherwise all pretty good and proper teachings. btw dumbx2, u saw my response to your john word is god??
-
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
of cuz will differ from my personal opinion mahz..i aint the guy up there.but certain stuffs kinda standard like having a more serious mood when worshipping. its missing from my CH visits.
JW are heretics for teachings yes..building i never heard of..jus added JW cuz i tink they are a queer group of christians. saw one poster from the EH sticky by laoda abt JW invitation..nothing wrong with it..but dun knw wats the fuss about it.
as for teachings, they too like me dun believe in trinity..otherwise all pretty good and proper teachings. btw dumbx2, u saw my response to your john word is god??
nope nv see. wasn;t home yest
-
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
nope nv see. wasn;t home yest
gd luck finding it..i oso 4gt i post where liao -
Originally posted by domonkassyu:
of cuz will differ from my personal opinion mahz..i aint the guy up there.but certain stuffs kinda standard like having a more serious mood when worshipping. its missing from my CH visits.
JW are heretics for teachings yes..building i never heard of..jus added JW cuz i tink they are a queer group of christians. saw one poster from the EH sticky by laoda abt JW invitation..nothing wrong with it..but dun knw wats the fuss about it.
as for teachings, they too like me dun believe in trinity..otherwise all pretty good and proper teachings. btw dumbx2, u saw my response to your john word is god??
JW or Jehovah Witnesses are considered a cult by mainstream orthodox Christians.