DISCUSSION: Creation of Man
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The area of study known as "cosmology" is really interesting. Over the past few decades, there have been many developments in this field - one of which is the dating of the Universe. When the Big Bang occurred, catastrophic amounts of energy were thrown across the entire length of the Universe. This energy, after 13.7 billion years, can still be detected across the throes of the Universe. Astronomers and scientists have used certain techniques (haven't read up on that, so, I not sure what the name is) to calculate the rate of dissipation of this energy, and that's where they got their estimate of 13.7 billion years.Originally posted by vince69:one interesting question... not related to topic, but somewhat along your line of discussion here, regarding this billion of years thing... how was it determined that creation was created billion if years and not million of years? I don;t think carbon dating is the tool, right? cause there is a limitation on how long the period it can measured, just cannot remember how they did the dating part. sorry...
Does that link back to Creation? I'm not sure, but I'm inclined to think that the seven days in Genesis was more of seven epochs. After all, Genesis theorized to be a summary of three different accounts of Creation: the Jahweh (German spelling for the Tetragrammaton), Priestly and a recent account archaeologists have discovered. -
The residual energy is the cosmic background radiation. Currently at 3k.Originally posted by SturmDerSchatten:The area of study known as "cosmology" is really interesting. Over the past few decades, there have been many developments in this field - one of which is the dating of the Universe. When the Big Bang occurred, catastrophic amounts of energy were thrown across the entire length of the Universe. This energy, after 13.7 billion years, can still be detected across the throes of the Universe. Astronomers and scientists have used certain techniques (haven't read up on that, so, I not sure what the name is) to calculate the rate of dissipation of this energy, and that's where they got their estimate of 13.7 billion years.
Does that link back to Creation? I'm not sure, but I'm inclined to think that the seven days in Genesis was more of seven epochs. After all, Genesis theorized to be a summary of three different accounts of Creation: the Jahweh (German spelling for the Tetragrammaton), Priestly and a recent account archaeologists have discovered.
Waahha .. you are a believer of the rojak Genesis theory.
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thank you... but I still blurr...Originally posted by SturmDerSchatten:The area of study known as "cosmology" is really interesting. Over the past few decades, there have been many developments in this field - one of which is the dating of the Universe. When the Big Bang occurred, catastrophic amounts of energy were thrown across the entire length of the Universe. This energy, after 13.7 billion years, can still be detected across the throes of the Universe. Astronomers and scientists have used certain techniques (haven't read up on that, so, I not sure what the name is) to calculate the rate of dissipation of this energy, and that's where they got their estimate of 13.7 billion years.
Does that link back to Creation? I'm not sure, but I'm inclined to think that the seven days in Genesis was more of seven epochs. After all, Genesis theorized to be a summary of three different accounts of Creation: the Jahweh (German spelling for the Tetragrammaton), Priestly and a recent account archaeologists have discovered.
When the Big Bang occurred, catastrophic amounts of energy were thrown across the entire length of the Universe. This energy, after 13.7 billion years, can still be detected across the throes of the Universe.
how was this 13.7 billion years (est) calculated? is it based on rate of change?
If its rate of change, then a simplistic formulae will be like
(Initial value [A] - Current value [B])/ Rate of change [C]
while
[B] can be measured
[C] can be caculated quite accurately (assuming the rate of change is either constant or regular
how was [A] measured or estimated?
*just talking about mathematics here...
also.... this have an initial asumption that the Big Bang occurred?
oh.. Gensis 1:1 already said the heavens and the earth was created, there is a grey area here, as in how old was the earth/universe when creation as in Gensis 1:3 begin?
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You have been reading inferior bible translations that's why.Originally posted by vince69:oh.. Gensis 1:1 already said the heavens and the earth was created, there is a grey area here, as in how old was the earth/universe when creation as in Gensis 1:3 begin?
I have absolutely no idea (at least not from the Bible).
If you read the New Revised Standard Version(NRSV) which you sometimes quote from, they actually translate it as:In the beginning when God created* the heavens and the earth, 2the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God* swept over the face of the waters.
The idea we get here is the heavens and earth are still in the process of creation. So verse 1 is like a "topic sentence". Subsequent verses will provide the elaboration.
The NRSV reflects some of the best modern scholarship on the Bible. Their translation of verse 1 is in agreement with what we find in a Jewish Bible translated into English. I quote from the Judaica Press Complete Tanach:1. In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
2. Now the earth was astonishingly empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the water. -
ok, I am referencing the Interlinear Bible with the Literal Translation and the Hebrew text (with word to word translation).Originally posted by Icemoon:
Gen 1:1 In the Begining, God created the heavens and the earth, .. (the sentence continues in verse 2) *A Literal Translation of the Bible
the word 'when' as in the 'In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth' was not in the hebrew text either.
Genesis (B'resheet) 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
*The Complete Jewish Bible
**** there are some translation that translates the part that says 'God created' really should refering to or translate as 'when God created', or 'When God began to create' -
So confusing. How come your comments like a bit contradicting each another?Originally posted by vince69:ok, I am referencing the Interlinear Bible with the Literal Translation and the Hebrew text (with word to word translation).
Gen 1:1 In the Begining, God created the heavens and the earth, .. (the sentence continues in verse 2) *A Literal Translation of the Bible
the word 'when' as in the 'In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth' was not in the hebrew text either.
Genesis (B'resheet) 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
*The Complete Jewish Bible
**** there are some translation that translates the part that says 'God created' really should refering to or translate as 'when God created', or 'When God began to create'
I don't believe in reading a literal translation of the Hebrew text. A real literal translation will read like rubbish. -
Everything have its place when it comes to Bible study, the challenge with these translation is that after translating the Original text into English words, how to piece them together to form a proper english sentences without losing out on the original meaning, the original intention and yet make it readable?Originally posted by Icemoon:So confusing. How come your comments like a bit contradicting each another?
I don't believe in reading a literal translation of the Hebrew text. A real literal translation will read like rubbish.
While literal translations strive to preserve the original wording used in the text, modern translations like NLT strive to present the thoughts of the original text. NRSV will fit in somewhere in between these two, striving to preserve the original wording while also presenting the thoughts (but then these 'thoughts' may be subjected to the interpretation of the scholars on what these thoughts are)
contradicting views? or yah, me a bit insane still... haha...
or is it that I agree to disagree with myself.....hmm....
oh... a literal translation of the Hebrew text for Gen 1:1 may read something like this :
in the begining created God the heavens and the earth -
Which is why Theology looks like a path I might want to take when I hopefully get my marks to study in Germany (I'm studying German in JC right now.) It's quite interesting, really, but given the job opportunities for that in Singapore, I have to admit it might have to take a backseat for a while.Originally posted by vince69:Everything have its place when it comes to Bible study, the challenge with these translation is that after translating the Original text into English words, how to piece them together to form a proper english sentences without losing out on the original meaning, the original intention and yet make it readable?
While literal translations strive to preserve the original wording used in the text, modern translations like NLT strive to present the thoughts of the original text. NRSV will fit in somewhere in between these two, striving to preserve the original wording while also presenting the thoughts (but then these 'thoughts' may be subjected to the interpretation of the scholars on what these thoughts are)
contradicting views? or yah, me a bit insane still... haha...
or is it that I agree to disagree with myself.....hmm....
oh... a literal translation of the Hebrew text for Gen 1:1 may read something like this :
in the begining created God the heavens and the earth
For the Genesis 1:1 part, it's really hard to translate overtones into different languages. For all we know it could actually be "In the Beginning, God made the heavens [intepreted to be universe] and then the Earth." And then maybe something along the laws of the Universe. I don't know; this is just my humble opinion.
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bo link leh .. Germany and theology?Originally posted by SturmDerSchatten:Which is why Theology looks like a path I might want to take when I hopefully get my marks to study in Germany (I'm studying German in JC right now.) It's quite interesting, really, but given the job opportunities for that in Singapore, I have to admit it might have to take a backseat for a while.
I think Germany teaches liberal theology .. 'cos liberal theology has its roots in Germany during the enlightenment.
To study theology you can only work in the church or a related organization. Most people study something else, like textual criticism, history, linguistic etc. related to the Bible so they can work as academics. -
[Off-topic] Germany's got a lot of institutions that are well-rooted in Theology, Philosophy and the Liberal Arts. It's an area I've got quite an interest in. Maybe I'll do Theology as a module; either Chem or German comes first.Originally posted by Icemoon:bo link leh .. Germany and theology?
I think Germany teaches liberal theology .. 'cos liberal theology has its roots in Germany during the enlightenment.
To study theology you can only work in the church or a related organization. Most people study something else, like textual criticism, history, linguistic etc. related to the Bible so they can work as academics. -
Originally posted by SturmDerSchatten:
Don't waste your life and other people's money to study Theology in Germany or anywhere! Theology has not solved inhumanity, poverty, bigotry, pretention, hunger, suffering, hatred, betrayal, sickness and death. Why don't you do something good and cost nothing?
Which is why Theology looks like a path I might want to take when I hopefully get my marks to study in Germany (I'm studying German in JC right now.) It's quite interesting, really, but given the job opportunities for that in Singapore, I have to admit it might have to take a backseat for a while.
For the Genesis 1:1 part, it's really hard to translate overtones into different languages. For all we know it could actually be "In the Beginning, God made the heavens [intepreted to be universe] and [b]then the Earth." And then maybe something along the laws of the Universe. I don't know; this is just my humble opinion. [/b] -
hey! did I put an end to the Creation of Man????
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Yes. So it is your turn to REST.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:hey! did I put an end to the Creation of Man???? -
Not quite yet, Man only mah. Where's Eva Longachim?Originally posted by Icemoon:Yes. So it is your turn to REST.