I Dreamt Of Jesus!
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Unker Vince,Originally posted by vince69:communion don't heals, not a magic portion, but the Lord does. And its the constant reminder of what the Lord had done (human very fogetful, so constant reminder needed), that we can have the confidence to pray and believed the healing that is by the grace of God through Christ Jesus.
For what NCC regards the holy communion, some people do treat it like some sort of magic potion. Dun think we need to root out the NCC pamphlet in the past. -
NCC? the more you partake of the communion, the more you are reminded of what Christ had paid for you on the cross, the more boldness/faith you will have to be able to claim these things... healing included ...Originally posted by laoda99:Unker Vince,
For what NCC regards the holy communion, it does treat it like some sort of magic potion. Dun think we need to root out the NCC pamphlet in the past.
haha... everyweek also the same thing, sometime I listen until sianz .. -
Tat's what I am against.....people are not educated about the sacrament properly, and instead focus on the end results.....Originally posted by vince69:NCC? the more you partake of the communion, the more you are reminded of what Christ had paid for you on the cross, the more you will be able to claim these things... healing included ...
haha... everyweek also the same thing, sometime I listen until sianz .. -
very true... even outside NCC, not many are educated about the sacrament properly also ...Originally posted by laoda99:Tat's what I am against.....people are not educated about the sacrament properly, and instead focus on the end results.....
ok lah, I have not been to many churches before, just charismatic, presyb, anglican, baptist, methodist, catholic, so far I have not come across a truely complete education on the sacrament. but then much much can be expected during the few minutes allocated for this?
personally, I would prefer on the put the focus on what Christ had done, and why we are doing what we are doing and what does this scarament meant to us from the view point of the cross. -
Some education is better than no education or the wrong education.Originally posted by vince69:ok lah, I have not been to many churches before, just charismatic, presyb, anglican, baptist, methodist, catholic, so far I have not come across a truely complete education on the sacrament. but then much much can be expected during the few minutes allocated for this?
I know I am in a pretty safe place if the pastor said equivalent things before the communion or offering:
1. The communion is only for baptised christians. Please refrain from taking the bread and wine if you are not baptised yet.
2. The offering bag is only for christians. If you are not, we don't need your money.
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true ... most church including NCC practice something like this, though in NCC itsOriginally posted by Icemoon:Some education is better than no education or the wrong education.
I know I am in a pretty safe place if the pastor said equivalent things before the communion or offering:
1. The communion is only for baptised christians. Please refrain from taking the bread and wine if you are not baptised yet.
2. The offering bag is only for christians. If you are not, we don't need your money.
etc.
1) communion is only for christians. Please refrain from taking the bread and 'wine' if you have not received Christ. (sadly sometime, some of the pastor just simply assume that those partaking are christians and forget to remind non-christian in the congregation)
2. The offering bag is only for willing christians. If you are not christian or not willing to give, we don't need your money (this one, most of the time was emphasis)
*edit: no wine, only 'wine' aka ribena (cannot serve wine to youth below the age of 1
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here is another I have come across, its an Anglican church in Sydney, Ben probably heard of the pastor.. (rev. Philip Jensen)Originally posted by Icemoon:Some education is better than no education or the wrong education.
I know I am in a pretty safe place if the pastor said equivalent things before the communion or offering:
1. The communion is only for baptised christians. Please refrain from taking the bread and wine if you are not baptised yet.
2. The offering bag is only for christians. If you are not, we don't need your money.
etc.
his is like this
1) The Communion is for all believers, I don't care which church, which denmination, which country you are from, as long as you are a prefessed christian, you are welcome to partake.
(more than half of the congregation were overseas students)
2) actually, can't remember him mentioning anything about tithe and offering, its just a box at the door (offering envelope provided). -
ok... give two example liao ...Originally posted by Icemoon:Some education is better than no education or the wrong education.
I know I am in a pretty safe place if the pastor said equivalent things before the communion or offering:
1. The communion is only for baptised christians. Please refrain from taking the bread and wine if you are not baptised yet.
2. The offering bag is only for christians. If you are not, we don't need your money.
etc.
personally, I prefer the way the Catholic church explain about the elements and the sacraments... though I am not comfortable with the rituals in administrating it.
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i know i am not allowed to take communion from other churches. Only the Catholic ChurchOriginally posted by vince69:here is another I have come across, its an Anglican church in Sydney, Ben probably heard of the pastor.. (rev. Philip Jensen)
his is like this
1) The Communion is for all believers, I don't care which church, which denmination, which country you are from, as long as you are a prefessed christian, you are welcome to partake.
(more than half of the congregation were overseas students)
2) actually, can't remember him mentioning anything about tithe and offering, its just a box at the door (offering envelope provided).
i remember quite sure i read it somewhere when i was studying the sacraments -
eh, Lithurgy is based on the Bible lehOriginally posted by vince69:ok... give two example liao ...
personally, I prefer the way the Catholic church explain about the elements and the sacraments... though I am not comfortable with the rituals in administrating it.
oh yah, i almost forgot we attend the same church
btw Vince, they are renovating the place at the moment!
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hope they don't change the structure too much, I love the place, one of my must visit place whenever I get the chance to go back to Sydney.Originally posted by ben1xy:eh, Lithurgy is based on the Bible leh
oh yah, i almost forgot we attend the same church
btw Vince, they are renovating the place at the moment!
ok, back to the subject ...
yes, the Lithurgy is actually a very accurate and close to the Bible in its explaination. -
Originally posted by mhcampboy:
I was in a "marketplace" when suddenly there was a loud voice announcing the arrival of the Messiah!
We all turn our head towards the horizon and saw his armies walk into the city in 2 lines....
Then we saw Jesus on a mist? something like that riding into the city. He was huge. As He walked pass, everyone went down to their knees and bowed at Him.
When He stopped, He gave orders to His armies. It seems that He is exercising His 1000 year rule as written in the bible....
Then I woke up....
Such a nice dream.... even though I couldnt see His face clearly. But I know in the dream that was Jesus. 
why does he need *armies*? Is he going to do a massacre or genocide? I think that there is something wrong with your dream...
If people need to be frightened by "armies" to go down on their knees and bow... I think Hitler would have done a better job.
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You got read bible or not? He will come with His armies of angels what...Originally posted by AndrewPKYap: why does he need *armies*? Is he going to do a massacre or genocide? I think that there is something wrong with your dream...
If people need to be frightened by "armies" to go down on their knees and bow... I think Hitler would have done a better job.
wake up! wake up!
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dun worry. structure remainsOriginally posted by vince69:hope they don't change the structure too much, I love the place, one of my must visit place whenever I get the chance to go back to Sydney.
ok, back to the subject ...
yes, the Lithurgy is actually a very accurate and close to the Bible in its explaination.
i think just some light renovations -
Adoro te Devote
HIDDEN God, devoutly I adore Thee,
truly present underneath these veils:
all my heart subdues itself before Thee,
since it all before Thee faints and fails.
Not to sight, or taste, or touch
be credit hearing only do we trust secure;
I believe, for God the Son has said it-
Word of truth that ever shall endure.
On the cross was veiled Thy Godhead's splendor,
here Thy manhood lies hidden too;
unto both alike my faith I render,
and, as sued the contrite thief, I sue.
Though I look not on Thy wounds with Thomas,
Thee, my Lord, and Thee, my God, I call:
make me more and more believe Thy promise,
hope in Thee, and love Thee over all.
O memorial of my Savior dying,
Living Bread, that gives life to man;
make my soul, its life from Thee supplying,
taste Thy sweetness, as on earth it can.
Deign, O Jesus, Pelican of heaven,
me, a sinner, in Thy Blood to lave,
to a single drop of which is given all the world from all its sin to save.
Contemplating, Lord, Thy hidden presence,
grant me what I thirst for and implore, in the revelation of Thy essence to behold Thy glory evermore. Amen. -
Something i came across while doing my daily spiritual readings. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a Catholic vs Protestant debate. I just thought i should share how one of the great early Christian apologetic viewed the SacramentOriginally posted by laoda99:I think it does say a christian must examine himself before he can partake communion.
And it also says to partake the communion in a worthly manner.
My view is that, for some charismatic churches, the people who partake in the communion are not even believers. So they may not know what they are doing. Worst, the pastor will just ask people to join in without telling them what is the significance.
The holy communion is one of the church's sacraments. People should be educated before they partake in the Lord's supper. If not the fault will be with the pastor who does not forewarn them.
From the first apology in defence of the Christians
by Saint Justin, martyr
The celebration of the Eucharist
No one may share the Eucharist with us unless he believes that what we teach is true, unless he is washed in the regenerating waters of baptism for the remission of his sins, and unless he lives in accordance with the principles given us by Christ.
We do not consume the eucharistic bread and wine as if it were ordinary food and drink, for we have been taught that as Jesus Christ our Saviour became a man of flesh and blood by the power of the Word of God, so also the food that our flesh and blood assimilates for its nourishment becomes the flesh and blood of the incarnate Jesus by the power of his own words contained in the prayer of thanksgiving.
The apostles, in their recollections, which are called gospels, handed down to us what Jesus commanded them to do. They tell us that he took bread, gave thanks and said: Do this in memory of me. This is my body. In the same way he took the cup, he gave thanks and said: This is my blood. The Lord gave this command to them alone. Ever since then we have constantly reminded one another of these things. The rich among us help the poor and we are always united. For all that we receive we praise the Creator of the universe through his Son Jesus Christ and through the Holy Spirit.
On Sunday we have a common assembly of all our members, whether they live in the city or the outlying districts. The recollections of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as there is time. When the reader has finished, the president of the assembly speaks to us; he urges everyone to imitate the examples of virtue we have heard in the readings. Then we all stand up together and pray.
On the conclusion of our prayer, bread and wine and water are brought forward. The president offers prayers and gives thanks to the best of his ability, and the people give assent by saying, “Amen”. The eucharist is distributed, everyone present communicates, and the deacons take it to those who are absent.
The wealthy, if they wish, may make a contribution, and they themselves decide the amount. The collection is placed in the custody of the president, who uses it to help the orphans and widows and all who for any reason are in distress, whether because they are sick, in prison, or away from home. In a word, he takes care of all who are in need.
We hold our common assembly on Sunday because it is the first day of the week, the day on which God put darkness and chaos to flight and created the world, and because on that same day our saviour Jesus Christ rose from the dead. For he was crucified on Friday and on Sunday he appeared to his to his apostles and disciples and taught them the things that we have passed on for your consideration. -
So what he tell you?
Are you a believer ? -
I have problem with Christians who adapt such thoughts.Originally posted by Bontakun:Wow... I wished I could see Him too. I can only feel His presense, not all the time though. Smth wrong with meeeeeeeeee...
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i dreamt i visited this girl whose father murdered everyone including me.
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He never talk to me la.. he just exercising his 1k year rule..Originally posted by soulwinner:So what he tell you?
Are you a believer ?
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a good friend of mine once said this:Originally posted by M©+square:I have problem with Christians who adapt such thoughts.
'Then again, faith is not all about feelings and there have been times when a quiet knowing of God's love fills me with peace and wonder.' -
gees..if i were u, i'd go say hi to Jesus..............................or maybe not..=\ it'd be disruptive..=X
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aiyoh.. im in a dream lei... i cannot control it...Originally posted by mir4cle:gees..if i were u, i'd go say hi to Jesus..............................or maybe not..=\ it'd be disruptive..=X -
Got ask him for 4 numbers anot.....?
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Most churches practise what you have disagreed on.Originally posted by vince69:this is another verse which I feel is being misquote quite often...
does it says a person must examine himself, confess sin .... ect then be considered worthy before he/she can partake communion?
OR
does it simply says, to partake the communion in a worthly manner
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the preceeding verses speaks of how Paul 'scolded' the corinthians on how they misbehaved when they come together to partake communion like hogging the bread, getting themselves drunk with the wine ...etc, then come this part that says about partaking in an unworthly manner.
Then comes a man need to examine himself before he eats... examine what? is sin mentioned, no, the verse after that explain this...it about 'recognizing the body of the Lord'.
furthermore, if one need to need to do the confession ...etc to make himself worthly before partaking the communion, why then would Jesus, our Lord taught that its not the healthy (worthly) that needs a doctor (Him), but the sick (unworthly)? cheers
St Andrews cathedral has got this sentences to read through before partaking the holy communion. And one of them is ''God forgive our sins''