do all christians go heaven?
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Do all who calls Jesus "Lord" go heaven?
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u lor.
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Once saved, always saved doctrine is a man-made doctrine.
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Of course not. Jesus said very clearly somewhere, not everyone who called Him 'Lord' will go to heaven. He even scolded them "Get away you evildoer!".Originally posted by mir4cle:Do all who calls Jesus "Lord" go heaven? -
even purgatory can't help?Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:Any christian who dies in the state of mortal sin will perish in Hell.
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wad is ur reference?Originally posted by Icemoon:Of course not. Jesus said very clearly somewhere, not everyone who called Him 'Lord' will go to heaven. He even scolded them "Get away you evildoer!". -
Hell no!!Originally posted by mir4cle:Do all who calls Jesus "Lord" go heaven?
Pun intended.
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Matthew 7:Originally posted by mir4cle:wad is ur reference?21 ‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord”, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22On that day many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?” 23Then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.”
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Matt. 7:21Originally posted by mir4cle:wad is ur reference?
Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, 10 but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
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Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?'
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Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. 11 Depart from me, you evildoers.'
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yay .. I am faster.
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Purgatory purifies those who are SAVED so they can be perfected and enter heaven. Purgatory cleanses us of our venial sins.Originally posted by Icemoon:even purgatory can't help?
Mortal sins sadly will cause us to perish in Hell unless u are forgiven by the Church through the sacrament of Penance.
1 Cor 3
If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw,
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the work of each will come to light, for the Day 7 will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire (itself) will test the quality of each one's work.
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If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage.
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But if someone's work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, 8 but only as through fire. (purgatory and venial sin)
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Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
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If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for the temple of God, which you are, is holy (mortal sin) -
Pope give thou ur chance to shine.Originally posted by Icemoon:yay .. I am faster. -
We do not know. We leave him to the mercy of God.Originally posted by Icemoon:even purgatory can't help? -
of course, your original statement referred to those who are saved. (Any christian who dies in the state of mortal sin will perish in Hell)Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:Purgatory purifies those who are SAVED so they can be perfected and enter heaven. Purgatory cleanses us of our venial sins. -
yeah..not all christians go heaven. a lot of christians seem to have this misconception that ALL will go heaven..
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hey.. i'm rather interested in this purgatory thing.. can the catholics quote the bible verses stating that there is a purgatory? thanx alot!
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yep..not all christian go heaven..
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Purgatory purifies those who are SAVED so they can be perfected and enter heaven. Purgatory cleanses us of our venial sins.Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:hey.. i'm rather interested in this purgatory thing.. can the catholics quote the bible verses stating that there is a purgatory? thanx alot!
Mortal sins sadly will cause us to perish in Hell unless u are forgiven by the Church through the sacrament of Penance.
1 Cor 3
If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw,
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the work of each will come to light, for the Day 7 will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire (itself) will test the quality of each one's work.
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If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage.
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But if someone's work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, 8 but only as through fire. (purgatory and venial sin)
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Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
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If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for the temple of God, which you are, is holy (mortal sin)
The verse demonstrates that, if a person does both good and bad works, his bad works are punished, but he is still saved. The Greek phrase for "suffer loss" (zemiothesetai) means "to be punished." This means the man undergoes an expiation of temporal punishment for his bad works (sins) but is still saved. The phrase “but only” or “yet so” (in Greek, houtos) means "in the same manner." This means that the man must pass through the fire in the same way that his bad works passed through the fire, in order to expiate himself of the things that led him to produce the bad works in the first place.
This demonstrates that there is punishment after death, followed by salvation. The Church calls this purification “Purgatory.” If accepting Jesus as Savior by faith alone during one's life were true, there would be no punishment after death for those who are saved. Your sins would already be washed away. This passage proves that there is punishment and forgiveness after death, followed by salvation
Rev. 21:27 - nothing unclean shall enter heaven. The word “unclean” comes from the Greek word “koinon” which refers to a spiritual corruption. Even the propensity to sin is spiritually corrupt, or considered unclean, and must be purified before entering heaven. It is amazing how many Protestants do not want to believe in purgatory. Purgatory exists because of the mercy of God. If there were no purgatory, this would also likely mean no salvation for most people. God is merciful indeed.
Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.
Luke 12
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That servant who knew his master's will but did not make preparations nor act in accord with his will shall be beaten severely;
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and the servant who was ignorant of his master's will but acted in a way deserving of a severe beating shall be beaten only lightly. Much will be required of the person entrusted with much, and still more will be demanded of the person entrusted with more
When the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master. This state is purgatory.
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all christians go to heaven.
challenge me on this.
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if you use the strict definition of christian and if you believe in TULIP.Originally posted by davidche:all christians go to heaven.
challenge me on this. 
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you are so wrong. again i say, all christians go to heaven.Originally posted by mir4cle:yeah..not all christians go heaven. a lot of christians seem to have this misconception that ALL will go heaven.. -
whats tulip?Originally posted by Icemoon:if you use the strict definition of christian and if you believe in TULIP.
the definition of christian=those that believe in jesus christ
we know that if you believe in jesus christ, you will go to heaven.
Thus, we can safely say , that the definition of christian, is those that believe in jesus christ and go to heaven.
21 ‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord”, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22On that day many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?” 23Then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.”
Jesus already said, these kinda bad people are called evildoers, not christians -
oh so wad if some ppl are christians and yet they are bad? they cant go either right.Originally posted by davidche:whats tulip?
the definition of christian=those that believe in jesus christ
we know that if you believe in jesus christ, you will go to heaven.
Thus, we can safely say , that the definition of christian, is those that believe in jesus christ and go to heaven.
21 ‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord”, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22On that day many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?” 23Then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.”
Jesus already said, these kinda bad people are called evildoers, not christians -
Bad Christians go purgatory to be cleansed first (the Catholic answer).Originally posted by OasisBlue:oh so wad if some ppl are christians and yet they are bad? they cant go either right. -
Anyone who is baptised will go to heaven like the heretical doctrine of Once Saved, Always Saved ( OSAS)Originally posted by davidche:you are so wrong. again i say, all christians go to heaven.
Is that wad ua re saying