speaking in tongues
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The charismatic churches will never say that the tongues mentioned in Acts are actual languages, even when it is so plainly stated so in the Bible.Originally posted by Icemoon:aknoo123, your example does not apply because those tongues are actual languages.
Most tongues today are just plain gibberish.
There is a need to distinguish between the two.
Sometimes they use Romans 8:27 to justify the use of tongues. Totally out of context. so watch out for it. -
woo .. fandango is back.
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Well speaking in tongues a spiritual gift from God... It is based on the same faith as u believe that Jesus is God.. Howver speaking in who one speak in tongues, other should pray for interpetation so that people it useful for God to speak to the church or a brother in need... Others spiritual gifts are laying on of hand, healing, casting out of demons and prophesing.... We don't own that, all the came in thime when God grace fall on the a willing servant that will deliver to God deliverance to his people ... For eg, a Brother or sister has a relationship struggles, then she pray and God send a brother from the church , to release a word of deliverance and as a result she is deliver from the struggle and praise God for that... There are a couple of church in SG that are strong believer of God delverance ... They few are CHC, FCBC, lighhouse evanglism, new creation .....
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well .. to be fair tongues can be angelic tongues, right?Originally posted by fandango:The charismatic churches will never say that the tongues mentioned in Acts are actual languages, even when it is so plainly stated so in the Bible.
Sometimes they use Romans 8:27 to justify the use of tongues. Totally out of context. so watch out for it.
the one during Pentecost was human tongue. -
I don't believe that there is any scriptural support for a human speaking angelic tongues... (but I can be wrong)Originally posted by Icemoon:well .. to be fair tongues can be angelic tongues, right?
the one during Pentecost was human tongue.
Personally, I subscribe to fandango's definition. -
but Paul says it is possible?Originally posted by Chin Eng:I don't believe that there is any scriptural support for a human speaking angelic tongues... (but I can be wrong)
Personally, I subscribe to fandango's definition.
1 Cor 13:1 - If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. -
Care to expound on it?Originally posted by Icemoon:but Paul says it is possible?
1 Cor 13:1 - If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
It is possible for? -
From Matthew Henry Commentary:Originally posted by M©+square:Care to expound on it?
It is possible for?
Could a man speak all the languages on earth, and that with the greatest propriety, elegance, and fluency, [b]could he talk like an angel[b], and yet be without charity, it would be all empty noise, mere unharmonious and useless sound, that would neither profit nor delight. It is not talking freely, nor finely, nor learnedly, of the things of God, that will save ourselves, or profit others, if we are destitute of holy love. It is the charitable heart, not the voluble tongue, that is acceptable with God. The apostle specifies first this gift because hereupon the Corinthians seemed chiefly to value themselves and despise their brethren. Prophecy, and the understanding of mysteries, and all knowledge. This without charity is as nothing.
So, when Paul wrote "...and of angels", he is writing in the hypothetical sense. You can interpret its as "Even if i can speak the language of angels, it will profit nothing". -
I just want to highlight, apart from 1 Cor 13:1, there is nowehere in the Bible that comes remotely close to giving evidence of the existence of "Angelic tongues".
So if the charismatic churches stands so strongly for angelic tongues based on this 1 single verse in the bible, something is wrong. -
errmm...my backside itchy?!Originally posted by Icemoon:woo .. fandango is back. 
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Communicating with God.Originally posted by M©+square:Care to expound on it?
It is possible for?
Paul is clear that there are tongues the congregation cannot understand (1 Cor 14). The problem is are these tongues human tongues or extra-terrestial tongues?
1Cor 14:13 - For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says.
Hmm .. from verse 13, does it mean the speaker dunno what his tongue is blabbering?
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have we reached a conclusion about tongues here??
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Speaking in tongues could oso happen if one is possessed by the Devil, could it not? If so, how do we know if the act is a manifestation of the spirit of God or the devil..........? Please enlighten........
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Not yet. Just be quiet.Originally posted by davidche:have we reached a conclusion about tongues here?? -
Originally posted by M©+square:Not yet. Just be quiet.
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Good question. Anyone?Originally posted by :Speaking in tongues could oso happen if one is possessed by the Devil, could it not? If so, how do we know if the act is a manifestation of the spirit of God or the devil..........? Please enlighten........ -
that is why Paul strongly encourages understanding isn't it? If believers don't understand your gibberish, then how does it benefit them?Originally posted by fandango:Good question. Anyone?
If you want to talk gibberish privately, then the question wouldn't arise. -
It need not have been possession.
Only by demonic powers inspiring a vessel. Foreign tongues could be spoken as well. -
Isnt it a sign of unbelieverers as well???
Can anyone explain to me why has TONGUES reappeared after 1900 yrs of slumber?
Most of my non-trinatiran charistmatic friends cannot answer me besides the old argument that the Catholic Church corrupted everything. -
Is speaking in tongues just gibberish? What kind of research has been done on this?
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Secular research paints modern day tongues as emotionalism. Its gibberish and by right they shoudl intepretate it themselves.Originally posted by outofcontrol225:Is speaking in tongues just gibberish? What kind of research has been done on this?
Augustine and Aquinas argued that the gift of tongues had ceased. -
I heard there are true stories of people who suddenly can speak foreign tongues, either during worship or when doing missionary work.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:Secular research paints modern day tongues as emotionalism. Its gibberish and by right they shoudl intepretate it themselves.
Augustine and Aquinas argued that the gift of tongues had ceased.
Augustine and Aquinas were not spiritually-filled people. so they ate sour grapes and said tongues had ceased. -
A few Saints had it like Francis Xavier whose body remains uncorrupted. But the idea of an entire tongue speaking church is what Aquinas and Augustine believed had ceased since the Church has spread to all nations.Originally posted by Icemoon:I heard there are true stories of people who suddenly can speak foreign tongues, either during worship or when doing missionary work.
Augustine and Aquinas were not spiritually-filled people. so they ate sour grapes and said tongues had ceased. -
Most of the congregation should be fake one.Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:A few Saints had it like Francis Xavier whose body remains uncorrupted. But the idea of an entire tongue speaking church is what Aquinas and Augustine believed had ceased since the Church has spread to all nations.
Maybe only anointed people like the pastor is the real deal. -
Beats my friend who believe in yoou cant speak in tongues u are not baptised and hence will not be saved. Many wierd doctrines....a weekly debate during the weekends during the holidays.Originally posted by Icemoon:Most of the congregation should be fake one.
Maybe only anointed people like the pastor is the real deal.