speaking in tongues
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speaking in tongues. gift or curse?
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bibically speaking in tongues is a manifestation of the Holy Spirit...Originally posted by CyNdI)4.eVa:speaking in tongues. gift or curse?
speaking in tongues is juz a physical manifestation of your baptism in Spirit. the ability of being able to speak in tongues is a gift from God. It allows you to :
ACTS 2:1-4
1When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.
1) Speaking in tongues to edify yourself
The Apostle Paul writes, "He who speaks in tongues edifies himself...I would like every one of you to speak in tongues" (1 Corinthians 14:4,5).
2) Praise God and His wonders in a heavenly language
Acts 2:7-11
7They were excited and amazed, and said: Don't all these who are speaking come from Galilee? 8Then why do we hear them speaking our very own languages? 9Some of us are from Parthia, Media, and Elam. Others are from Mesopotamia, Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus, Asia, 10Phrygia, Pamphylia, Egypt, parts of Libya near Cyrene, Rome, 11Crete, and Arabia. Some of us were born Jews, and others of us have chosen to be Jews. Yet we all hear them using our own languages to tell the wonderful things God has done. -
aknoo123, your example does not apply because those tongues are actual languages.
Most tongues today are just plain gibberish.
There is a need to distinguish between the two. -
dont anyhow judge leh....Originally posted by Icemoon:aknoo123, your example does not apply because those tongues are actual languages.
Most tongues today are just plain gibberish.
There is a need to distinguish between the two. -
exactly.Originally posted by davidche:dont anyhow judge leh....
don't anyhow judge our modern tongues are the ones described during the apostolic age.
which was why i said there is a need to distinguish between the two. -
why you did not quote verse 13?Originally posted by aknoo123:1) Speaking in tongues to edify yourself
The Apostle Paul writes, "He who speaks in tongues edifies himself...I would like every one of you to speak in tongues" (1 Corinthians 14:4,5).
13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret.
do people speaking in tongues today pray for the power to interpret? -
Originally posted by Icemoon:
Precisely, I'd agree very much with you.
why you did not quote verse 13?
[b]13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret.
do people speaking in tongues today pray for the power to interpret?[/b]
1 Cor 14 is a very clear cut on the usage of tongues. Written in such a way that it's like a standing order for anyone to understand. Please read the entire chapter. It will help to clear the air very quickly.
The entire chapter boils down to orderly, understanding of the tongues. But the current day in some churches, tongues are totally abused and messy. For those that do not come from God comes from you know what. -
yep i agree with wad u mean...the easiest way to get abt tt is to pray for interpretation of tongues n juz asking God to do wad is needed..if the Gift is not from Him, ask God to take it away, if it is den ask Him to strengthen it.
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What speak in tongues? Those people should be committed to the IMH
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Most people should if the tongues are not gift from God.Originally posted by pretzel:What speak in tongues? Those people should be committed to the IMH -
The gift of tongues will cease. Paul says “as for tongues, they will cease” (1 Cor. 13:
. The Greek word for “cease” (pauomai) means that the gift of tongues will end abruptly, on its own, and will not be replaced by another gift. The gift of tongues is the only gift of the Holy Spirit that is said to “cease” in this way. When Paul says that prophecies and knowledge will “pass away” (1 Cor. 13:, the phrase “pass away” (in Greek, katargeo) indicates that these gifts will be replaced by a superior power. This appears to take place when we begin our life in eternity (1 Cor. 13:10-12). Not so with tongues.
Paul does not say when the gift of tongues would cease, and whether the gift would return intermittently after its cessation. However, Augustine wrote that the gift of tongues had ceased by the time of his day. Augustine explained that this was because the Catholic Church now spoke the language of the nations, and tongue-speaking was only for purposes of evangelization (Aquinas agreed). The fact that the gift of tongues is not recorded in later books of the New Testament suggest that the gift may have even been ceasing during the biblical period.
Nevertheless, there are a few recorded instances of saints speaking in tongues over the centuries (Sts. Dominic, Anthony of Padua, Francis Xavier, John of the Cross, Ignatius of Loyola). This demonstrates that the gift of tongues is very rare, and given to the holiest of people -
Mr Pope .. the url please?
I save you the trouble - http://www.scripturecatholic.com/tongues.html
Note that plagiarism is a serious offense in university. I'm sure you want to enter university too. So take note yea? -
okOriginally posted by Icemoon:Mr Pope .. the url please?
I save you the trouble - http://www.scripturecatholic.com/tongues.html
Note that plagiarism is a serious offense in university. I'm sure you want to enter university too. So take note yea? -
I saw too many people speaking in tongues, or faking it in CHC.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20cor%2012;%20Luke%208;&version=31;
1 Corinthians 12
Spiritual Gifts
1Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. 2You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.
7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
14Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" 22On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
27Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31But eagerly desire[e] the greater gifts.
And now I will show you the most excellent way.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20cor%2014;%20Luke%208;&version=31;
1 Corinthians 14
Gifts of Prophecy and Tongues
1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. 3But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. 4He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.
6Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me. 12So it is with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, try to excel in gifts that build up the church.
13For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. 16If you are praising God with your spirit, how can one who finds himself among those who do not understand[e] say "Amen" to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying? 17You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other man is not edified.
18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
20Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21In the Law it is written:
"Through men of strange tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,"[f] says the Lord.
22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand[g] or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand[h]comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, 25and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, "God is really among you!" -
It's called epilepsy. Or tourette's syndromeOriginally posted by CyNdI)4.eVa:speaking in tongues. gift or curse? -
Can anyone explain to me tongues did not exist from Apostolic Times (not mentioend in most NT books) to 1900s in America?
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Why do you need to speak in tongues or a priest to intercede when you can talk to God in your heart.....
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The same reason why u ask ur mother to pray for u or why u pray fer ur mum.Originally posted by Mid9Sun:Why do you need to speak in tongues or a priest to intercede when you can talk to God in your heart.....
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And mind u, Paul asked us to pray for each us so our prayers would be stronger. God wants us to particpate with HIM.
Ur protestant ideology of GOD ME BIBLE stinks of selfishness. -
1. Read properly...I didnt say we DONT pray FOR others...or ASK other to pray for us...just simply saying what God wants is simple, only the truth in our hearts. All those rituals/speaking in tongues/etc are not neccessaryOriginally posted by Pope Nicholas:The same reason why u ask ur mother to pray for u or why u pray fer ur mum.
And mind u, Paul asked us to pray for each us so our prayers would be stronger. God wants us to particpate with HIM.
Ur protestant ideology of GOD ME BIBLE stinks of selfishness.
2. I am just sharing my tots..isnt this a forum for it? Stop your "whose not with me is against me" intolerant attitude. I am not a protestant anway, but what gives you the rights to bash protestantish ideology anway. -
Why do you need to speak in tongues or a priest to intercede when you can talk to God in your heart.....Originally posted by Mid9Sun:1. Read properly...I didnt say we DONT pray FOR others...or ASK other to pray for us...just simply saying what God wants is simple, only the truth in our hearts. All those rituals/speaking in tongues/etc are not neccessary
2. I am just sharing my tots..isnt this a forum for it? Stop your "whose not with me is against me" intolerant attitude. I am not a protestant anway, but what gives you the rights to bash protestantish ideology anway.
1) Having read properly, u have unintentioanlly mentioned the the needlessness of intercesssory prayers from a priest or bascially anyone for that matter for all perform those rpayers the same way.
2) So its alrite to discard priesthopod but wrong to attack ur ideology. So u aint Christian (as u aint prot...doubt u are catholic or orthodox), so wad are u doing here? -
I encourage you to study more about Tongues and it's usages in Christianity?Originally posted by Mid9Sun:1. Read properly...I didnt say we DONT pray FOR others...or ASK other to pray for us...just simply saying what God wants is simple, only the truth in our hearts. All those rituals/speaking in tongues/etc are not neccessary
2. I am just sharing my tots..isnt this a forum for it? Stop your "whose not with me is against me" intolerant attitude. I am not a protestant anway, but what gives you the rights to bash protestantish ideology anway.
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While as a Catholic, i disagree tongue has reappeared from its 1900 years of slumber. In Apostolic Times its abt preaching the Good News.Originally posted by M©+square:I encourage you to study more about Tongues and it's usages in Christianity?
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Lol...seriously Ive tried to pay attention. But different pastors/speakers/books/etc all told me different thing.Originally posted by M©+square:I encourage you to study more about Tongues and it's usages in Christianity?
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Beside nobody can prove which theory is right or wrong. Thats why I say
what is in the heart is more important then all the "extras" (pardon my description) -
I do agree with u. The heart is extremely important. But these 'extras' to different people is also important. I am sorry for my outburst earlier. But as a Catholic, a priest is extremely important for 2 reasonsOriginally posted by Mid9Sun:Lol...seriously Ive tried to pay attention. But different pastors/speakers/books/etc all told me different thing.
Beside nobody can prove which theory is right or wrong. Thats why I say
what is in the heart is more important then all the "extras" (pardon my description)
1) He (representing the church) alone can forgive sins
2) Without him, who can conduct Mass to turn the bread to flesh and offer it up to the Father.
As for tongues, i do know it ceased.
St Augustine wrote that the gift of tongues had ceased by the time of his day. Augustine explained that this was because the Catholic Church now spoke the language of the nations, and tongue-speaking was only for purposes of evangelization (Aquinas agreed)
Aquinas and Augustine are greatest theoligcans.