Christians should marry to christians?
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You don't. Coz you don't know me.Originally posted by laurence82:So how i know you are a true Christian?
Furthermore, its not right of me to judge myself.
Neither of anyone, coz I believe that Jesus is the only judge of my life as a Christian. -
So, if any 'Christian' come up with any statement on God, Satan and stuff...i can also ignore him right?Originally posted by charlemagne:You don't. Coz you don't know me.
Furthermore, its not right of me to judge myself.
Neither of anyone, coz I believe that Jesus is the only judge of my life as a Christian. -
I didn't specifically point out who, so its a general term on any person who talks against the Gospel once they've heard about it. Shouldn't they reflect first on what they are suppose to say?Originally posted by laurence82:Why only him?
Why would 'which side i am on' be relevant?
Yet again, that is a reflective question that lies for you to think about. You need not answer me. -
You have that right as you have freewill. Acceptance or denial is your choice. But I would rather that you listen to it first prior to making any choice.Originally posted by laurence82:So, if any 'Christian' come up with any statement on God, Satan and stuff...i can also ignore him right? -
So, how would I know what you said isnt against the Gospel?Originally posted by charlemagne:I didn't specifically point out who, so its a general term on any person who talks against the Gospel once they've heard about it. Shouldn't they reflect first on what they are suppose to say?
Yet again, that is a reflective question that lies for you to think about. You need not answer me.
Again, its more of 'others' vs 'us' mentality here, I think some Christians here pointed it out in the past, that Christians themselves are the ones who contribute to these disbelief...
I think, its a good point for a deep self reflection. -
I think you dont get my pointOriginally posted by charlemagne:You have that right as you have freewill. Acceptance or denial is your choice. But I would rather that you listen to it first prior to making any choice.
Its ok
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You don't coz you can't see me. Besides, what I say of the Gospel would be judged when I go up to face the LORD, and if I fear the judgment day more than ever, I would not lie about what HE has really done for us. I only fear one thing, and that is God.Originally posted by laurence82:So, how would I know what you said isnt against the Gospel?
Again, its more of 'others' vs 'us' mentality here, I think some Christians here pointed it out in the past, that Christians themselves are the ones who contribute to these disbelief...
I think, its a good point for a deep self reflection.
There are many versions of interpretation that the world has been confused itself but rooted in the Bible is the only verse that mentioned that HE is the only way, truth and life into heaven, and that there are no other ways. Debates happen coz confusion is one of the influence the Devil wants us to experience, so that everyone disagrees with everyone and in the end no one wants to accept what is the truth behind it all, that is the verse that I mentioned above. Amongst others, there are plenty of influences in this world that are created to move away our belief in Christ.
If you ask me, I won't say that your self reflection principle is totally irrelevant. You brought up an excellent point on human mind and behavior, and how they think and live their way of lives. -
I'm sorry.Originally posted by laurence82:I think you dont get my point
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How come suddenly talk about Bible and verses?Originally posted by charlemagne:You don't coz you can't see me. Besides, what I say of the Gospel would be judged when I go up to face the LORD, and if I fear the judgment day more than ever, I would not lie about what HE has really done for us. I only fear one thing, and that is God.
There are many versions of interpretation that the world has been confused itself but rooted in the Bible is the only verse that mentioned that HE is the only way, truth and life into heaven, and that there are no other ways. Debates happen coz confusion is one of the influence the Devil wants us to experience, so that everyone disagrees with everyone and in the end no one wants to accept what is the truth behind it all, that is the verse that I mentioned above. Amongst others, there are plenty of influences in this world that are created to move away our belief in Christ.
If you ask me, I won't say that your self reflection principle is totally irrelevant. You brought up an excellent point on human mind and behavior, and how they think and live their way of lives.
Its not the point of contention here.
Clue is, what have some people did that lead to others' disbelief on their religion? Its easy to blame Satan, but its not easy to blame self. -
Sorry, it seems that I don't get your question.Originally posted by laurence82:How come suddenly talk about Bible and verses?
Its not the point of contention here.
Clue is, what have some people did that lead to others' disbelief on their religion? Its easy to blame Satan, but its not easy to blame self.
But about that part of blaming, there is a subsequent follow-up which are from my humble opinion, would be the same, that is of what will the person do about it. If they blame it on Satan, as easy as you have mentioned, then what would they do about it in the future? Same goes to if they blame themselves. Either way, reflection like you say should be there, but then again, in our fast paced world, reflection is rather a task that not many people would fancy. -
Precisely. Blame Satan, what's next? Its 'everyone's else' but not 'own' fault.Originally posted by charlemagne:Sorry, it seems that I don't get your question.
But about that part of blaming, there is a subsequent follow-up which are from my humble opinion, would be the same, that is of what will the person do about it. If they blame it on Satan, as easy as you have mentioned, then what would they do about it in the future? Same goes to if they blame themselves. Either way, reflection like you say should be there, but then again, in our fast paced world, reflection is rather a task that not many people would fancy.
As a Christian yourself, why should fast paced world be a factor, in your quest to seek God?? -
Thank you. I'm beginning to see you point. I do agree with you that blaming Satan would be the easier way out for many. The subsequent things they do would then be the same without a change which leads to a cycle.Originally posted by laurence82:Precisely. Blame Satan, what's next? Its 'everyone's else' but not 'own' fault.
As a Christian yourself, why should fast paced world be a factor, in your quest to seek God??
But as for me, in my humble principles, after seeing your points, do put the blame on both. The snares that were set by the evil blinded the choices we are to make, given the freewill, we chose the ones that seemed right to our methods. Hence, I can see your point that we should blame ourselves. Is that your point?
In a way, a true Christian who knows the Word of the Lord well would repent and in his best way, not to repeat the same mistakes again, as it would be taking the grace of God that he provided for granted.
The last question that you posed to me is a barrier to me, which in a way acts as a factor that continuosly test my faith to cling onto HIM for guidance. -
You are a nice guy/gal... which? Does Christianity makes you Legalistic or Compassionate?Originally posted by charlemagne:Thank you. I'm beginning to see you point. I do agree with you that blaming Satan would be the easier way out for many. The subsequent things they do would then be the same without a change which leads to a cycle.
But as for me, in my humble principles, after seeing your points, do put the blame on both. The snares that were set by the evil blinded the choices we are to make, given the freewill, we chose the ones that seemed right to our methods. Hence, I can see your point that we should blame ourselves. Is that your point?
In a way, a true Christian who knows the Word of the Lord well would repent and in his best way, not to repeat the same mistakes again, as it would be taking the grace of God that he provided for granted.
The last question that you posed to me is a barrier to me, which in a way acts as a factor that continuosly test my faith to cling onto HIM for guidance. -
Thank you sir.Originally posted by casino_king:You are a nice guy/gal... which? Does Christianity makes you Legalistic or Compassionate?
Its hard for me to choose between both. Even as a Christian myself, I am bound by temptations and sinful nature a man would have. I would not escape from any of these clutches even though I have accepted HIM.
Its through the course of time and through plenty of trials and obstacles that HE gives which will change a person's qualities. As tough as these qualities would be, HE would provide a way out, but that particular assurance never all the time seem clear and most would often fail before they see that way out. But HE is gracious and gives a lot of opportunities for you to get up again from your fall and to cling on to HIM so that you will begin to learn that despite how hard a trial may be or seem to accept for humans, HE is in control. Nevertheless, this statement would always raise a lot of queries and evidence of what the world has been going through that may seem that God is letting it happen without having mercy. That is not within my understanding of explaining further as it takes faith to believe such trials, and since faith is questionable amongst everyone, I shan't detail further.
Anyway back to your question of whether am I legalistic or compassionate, I would want any Christians want, to be more and more like HIM as on how the four gospels have described of him in the New Testament; compassionate and loving. For HE knows that we are bound to sin and its impossible to cling on to every rule and Word of God, but as HE is gracious, HE is ever willing for you to confess your mistake or sin before HIM through prayer and ask for HIS forgiveness. HE has paid the terrible price of sin by coming to earth to die on the cross for us; the gift of eternal life is free for all to those who chooses to accept HIM. But I urge you that if you do really want to know more about Christianity and have deeper questions about it, that you can refer it to a pastor or a deacon of your nearby church. -
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