Christians should marry to christians?
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Dave, can i give you the standard dispensational principle when studying or reading the Bible?
If we use 2 Corinthians 6:14, the verse is written for me? if thats so then why the wrong application?
This is really an elementary principle to others [especially thoroughgoing dispensational students of the Bible] but here it is anyway:
While all the Bible was written FOR you, it was not all written TO you, nor was it all written ABOUT you.
1) It was all written for you. From the Bible we glean principles, instuctions, correction, training for righteousness and etc.
From the OT we can glean principles and examples of others. We can learn from their mistakes, their exemplary life and etc. Certainly the command to build an ark was not given to you. it was for Noah. But can we glean principles from it? Certainly.
For example: The position of the majority is not always right. Noah heeded God's voice than heeding the voice of the unbelieving world. May we follow Noah's example. No, not the building of the ark [LOL]......i mean the principle.
In the NT we can glean direct commands for a Christian.
pray always. stand fast in the faith. Grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ and etc.
2) It was not all written to you. Scripture divides the world into three major peoples [though there maybe other divisions but these are the major distinct divisions that leap out of the pages of the Bible]
a)Gentiles b) Israel and c) the Church of God.
You can see that in Romans. First he addresses the case of the Gentiles mostly chapter one starting from verse 18. Then he addresses the Jews or Israelites from chapter 2:17. Then the book as a whole was intended for the Church of God in Rome and to all the churches throughout all the Churh Age till the Lord Raptures His Church.
These three sets of people God has a special plan. There were directives given to Israel like there were directives given to the Church. Some directives of Israel were given to the Church as well. But this doesn't mean that the Church is Isreal.
3)It was not all written about you. This is self explanatory. There are things there written about you as a sinner, about you as a redeemed sinner [if you have trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ alone for salvation], about you as a member of the Church of God and etc. But there are also things written there not about you.
P.s. do not confuse Israel with the Church or mix the two. you will be hopelessly confused. Skeptics who often find "contradictions" in the Bible often fail to distinguish the two. -
You may re-read my comment after honeymouse post about 2 Cor.Originally posted by davidche:If we use 2 Corinthians 6:14, the verse is written for me? if thats so then why the wrong application?
No where did i mention it is wrong application.
It is good for honeymouse to clarify his/her stand on the quoting of verse in 2 Cor.
So what is your stand? -
Mc2 also follow write good english campaign?
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I scared the boy don't know what i mean and reply me with some ambiguous thingy again.Originally posted by Icemoon:Mc2 also follow write good english campaign? 
Then i have to go play merry go round with him. Sianzzz.
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If u say socially and logic wise why christian shouldn't marry non christian, it is more sensible. If u pull in doctrine wise, then it seems tat god is controlling everything in your life, even who u can love. And it is not fair to to say the love between husband and wife is lesser than god because in many instances a husband can sacrifice everything he have, including his life, to help his wife and god wouldn't even lift a finger or a fraction of his omnipotency to help her.
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hereOriginally posted by M©+square:You may re-read my comment after honeymouse post about 2 Cor.
No where did i mention it is wrong application.
It is good for honeymouse to clarify his/her stand on the quoting of verse in 2 Cor.
So what is your stand?application of verse questionable.
Dont tell me what you meant was for honeymouse to clarify his stand. -
why isn't it so?Originally posted by davidche:Dont tell me what you meant was for honeymouse to clarify his stand.
It's through your own assumption that made you think i'm giving honeymouse foul?
Even if honeymouse didn't clarify, i would keep questioning the quote from 2 Corinthians. Until someone would tell me why.
So you haven't clarify your stand...
I remember i specifically asked you this question.Originally posted by M©+square:Do you in the first place agree that the verse in 2 Cor supports this doctrine?
Going merry go round? -
nope, i already did a literal intepretation mah.Originally posted by M©+square:I remember i specifically asked you this question.
Going merry go round? -
So you don't agree that 2 Cor 6:14 is written for this topic?Originally posted by davidche:nope, i already did a literal intepretation mah. -
we are not supposed to have the same 'view'/'vision' with non-believers as we have different religious values.Originally posted by M©+square:So you don't agree that 2 Cor 6:14 is written for this topic?
hmmm, if we see it again, it does have some connection with marriages.
Ok, change of answer, it is written for this topic.
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What is the differences in view/vision between believers and non believers?Originally posted by davidche:we are not supposed to have the same 'view'/'vision' with non-believers as we have different religious values.
hmmm, if we see it again, it does have some connection with marriages.
Ok, change of answer, it is written for this topic.
Since not all non believers adopts the same religious values.
You need to find out the meaning of 'yoke' because 'Yoke' is a weighty term.
When you say it does have some connection with marriages, you're not wrong. It depends on the way you interprete contextual wise. Which is why, it is important to clarify your stand before saying a yes or a no to quoting 2 Cor 6:14
To me, 2 Cor 6:14 is not a anchor verse for this topic(marriage), let alone a sermon topic.
But, if a preacher can expound soundly on this verse. Maybe i might listen for awhile.
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I'll share some insights from John Calvin about 2 Cor 6:14
14. Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Be not yoked. As if regaining his authority, he now reproves them more freely, because they associated with unbelievers, as partakers with them in outward idolatry. For he has exhorted them to show themselves docile to him as to a father: he now, in accordance with the rights that belong to him, reproves the fault into which they had fallen. Now we mentioned in the former epistle what this fault was; for, as they imagined that there was nothing that was unlawful for them in outward things, they defiled themselves with wicked superstitions without any reserve.
For in frequenting the banquets of unbelievers, they participated along with them in profane and impure rites, and while they sinned grievously, they nevertheless thought themselves innocent.
On this account Paul inveighs here against outward idolatry, and exhorts Christians to stand aloof from it, and have no connection with it. He begins, however, with a general statement, with the view of coming down from that to a particular instance, for to be yoked with unbelievers means nothing less than to
have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness,
(Ephesians 5:11,)
and to hold out the hand to them in token of agreement.
Many are of opinion that he speaks of marriage, but the context clearly shows that they are mistaken.
The word that Paul makes use of means -- to be connected together in drawing the same yoke. It is a metaphor taken from oxen or horses, which require to walk at the same pace, and to act together in the same work, when fastened under one yoke.
When, therefore, he prohibits us from having partnership with unbelievers in drawing the same yoke, he means simply this, that we should have no fellowship with them in their pollutions. For one sun shines upon us, we eat of the same bread, we breathe the same air, and we cannot altogether refrain from intercourse with them; but Paul speaks of the yoke of impiety, that is, of participation in works, in which Christians cannot lawfully have fellowship. On this principle marriage will also be prohibited, inasmuch as it is a snare, by which both men and women are entangled into an agreement with impiety; but what I mean is simply this, that Paul's doctrine is of too general a nature to be restricted to marriage exclusively, for he is discoursing here as to the shunning of idolatry, on which account, also, we are prohibited from contracting marriages with the wicked.
For what fellowship. He confirms his exhortation on the ground of its being an absurd, and, as it were, monstrous connecting together of things in themselves much at variance; for these things can no more coalesce than fire and water.
In short it comes to this, that unless they would have everything thrown into confusion, they must refrain from the pollutions of the wicked. Hence, too, we infer, that even those that do not in their hearts approve of superstitions are, nevertheless, polluted by dissimulation if they do not openly and ingenuously stand aloof from them.
gam pei -
gam pei
should be gan bei? -
I like to say gam pei....Originally posted by davidche:should be gan bei? -
whole long post and u oni notice the last sentence?
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precisely,
he got nothing to say liao, then start noticing weird things. And start making a topic out of it. -
no opinions for your long passage. but thanks for the info lah.Originally posted by M©+square:precisely,
he got nothing to say liao, then start noticing weird things. And start making a topic out of it.
cheers -
You didn't notice the first two lines were my questions to you? And you haven't answer it.Originally posted by davidche:no opinions for your long passage. but thanks for the info lah.
cheers
Do you not intend to answer? You can tell me straight that you're not familiar with the bible. I will let it rest. -
I think he had said that already, not too long ago. So this point no need to debate lah.Originally posted by M©+square:You can tell me straight that you're not familiar with the bible. I will let it rest. -
my stand:Originally posted by M©+square:What is the differences in view/vision between believers and non believers?
Since not all non believers adopts the same religious values.
You need to find out the meaning of 'yoke' because 'Yoke' is a weighty term.
When you say it does have some connection with marriages, you're not wrong. It depends on the way you interprete contextual wise. Which is why, it is important to clarify your stand before saying a yes or a no to quoting 2 Cor 6:14
To me, 2 Cor 6:14 is not a anchor verse for this topic(marriage), let alone a sermon topic.
But, if a preacher can expound soundly on this verse. Maybe i might listen for awhile.
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I'll share some insights from John Calvin about 2 Cor 6:14
14. Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Be not yoked. As if regaining his authority, he now reproves them more freely, because they associated with unbelievers, as partakers with them in outward idolatry. For he has exhorted them to show themselves docile to him as to a father: he now, in accordance with the rights that belong to him, reproves the fault into which they had fallen. Now we mentioned in the former epistle what this fault was; for, as they imagined that there was nothing that was unlawful for them in outward things, they defiled themselves with wicked superstitions without any reserve.
For in frequenting the banquets of unbelievers, they participated along with them in profane and impure rites, and while they sinned grievously, they nevertheless thought themselves innocent.
On this account Paul inveighs here against outward idolatry, and exhorts Christians to stand aloof from it, and have no connection with it. He begins, however, with a general statement, with the view of coming down from that to a particular instance, for to be yoked with unbelievers means nothing less than to
have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness,
(Ephesians 5:11,)
and to hold out the hand to them in token of agreement.
Many are of opinion that he speaks of marriage, but the context clearly shows that they are mistaken.
The word that Paul makes use of means -- to be connected together in drawing the same yoke. It is a metaphor taken from oxen or horses, which require to walk at the same pace, and to act together in the same work, when fastened under one yoke.
When, therefore, he prohibits us from having partnership with unbelievers in drawing the same yoke, he means simply this, that we should have no fellowship with them in their pollutions. For one sun shines upon us, we eat of the same bread, we breathe the same air, and we cannot altogether refrain from intercourse with them; but Paul speaks of the yoke of impiety, that is, of participation in works, in which Christians cannot lawfully have fellowship. On this principle marriage will also be prohibited, inasmuch as it is a snare, by which both men and women are entangled into an agreement with impiety; but what I mean is simply this, that Paul's doctrine is of too general a nature to be restricted to marriage exclusively, for he is discoursing here as to the shunning of idolatry, on which account, also, we are prohibited from contracting marriages with the wicked.
For what fellowship. He confirms his exhortation on the ground of its being an absurd, and, as it were, monstrous connecting together of things in themselves much at variance; for these things can no more coalesce than fire and water.
In short it comes to this, that unless they would have everything thrown into confusion, they must refrain from the pollutions of the wicked. Hence, too, we infer, that even those that do not in their hearts approve of superstitions are, nevertheless, polluted by dissimulation if they do not openly and ingenuously stand aloof from them.
gam pei
A wife has to have the same vision/view as the husband for them to get married. Therefore, when the verse says we christians have different view as non christians, i take it to mean that they cannot get married.
A husband and wife, both christians would hold the same christian value unlike a believer and non-believer together. To yoke would mean going together on the same path or road in life, for that to happen, like i said, there has to be a unified view/vision. The way to achieve that will be to marry a christian rather than with a non-christian.
I dont quite get the meaning of fellowship, as used in your explaination.
the others i roughly agree since i have to admit my english is not good enough for you.
As for why i didnt reply your post earlier on, i didnt have the time to start a passage. Posting a short post question doesnt mean im not replying.
Cheers and God bless
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I see that you are still unable to grasp the verse of 2 Cor. 6:14Originally posted by davidche:my stand:
A wife has to have the same vision/view as the husband for them to get married. Therefore, when the verse says we christians have different view as non christians, i take it to mean that they cannot get married.
A husband and wife, both christians would hold the same christian value unlike a believer and non-believer together. To yoke would mean going together on the same path or road in life, for that to happen, like i said, there has to be a unified view/vision. The way to achieve that will be to marry a christian rather than with a non-christian.
I dont quite get the meaning of fellowship, as used in your explaination.
the others i roughly agree since i have to admit my english is not good enough for you.
As for why i didnt reply your post earlier on, i didnt have the time to start a passage. Posting a short post question doesnt mean im not replying.
Cheers and God bless
And you didn't read John Calvin's commentary. Doesn't matter.
I encourage you to read the letter of 1 and 2 Corinthians again and again.
Gam pei -
Yes, xtians should only marry other xtians.
That way the spread of the virus called christianity will be slower. -
Originally posted by Oriakan:
lol .. you anti-xtian ah?
[b]Yes, xtians should only marry other xtians.
That way the spread of the virus called christianity will be slower.[/b]
maybe we can compare notes .. I can correct some of your misconceptions. -
apparently not just anti xtianOriginally posted by Icemoon:lol .. you anti-xtian ah?
maybe we can compare notes .. I can correct some of your misconceptions. -
I'm anti-religion,esp the organized ones. xtianity and islam are 2 most dangerousOriginally posted by Icemoon:lol .. you anti-xtian ah?
maybe we can compare notes .. I can correct some of your misconceptions.
IMO, that's is why they need to be eradicated. -
eradicated ..Originally posted by Oriakan:I'm anti-religion,esp the organized ones. xtianity and islam are 2 most dangerous
IMO, that's is why they need to be eradicated.