Judaism have NO problem with Satan (A biblical view)
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I'd like to think you hit the jackpot when you said "U can't generalise tat water must either be evil or good, then treat water as evil when it is just water". That's the point I was trying to put across - the "source" is like water, you can use it for good or you can use it for evil.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Flood is a lot of water, but it is really a medium tat allow evil to achieve its purpose. Water running in dynamo is good, and no elements of evil is in it. But evil is present when misfortune happens such as destroying house from a broken dam. As said, water is water, evil is evil. U can't generalise tat water must either be evil or good, then treat water as evil when it is just water
Let me give an example
Car can travel with velocity. Car can be stationary. So does tat means having velocity is stationary ?
Your example like doesn't apply leh .. I read liao still catch no ball. Anyway your example is nothing new under the sun. More than 2000 years ago in China, someone asked this "paradox" - if black horse is horse, white horse also horse, does it mean black is white?Let the readers judged themselves then
Rest assure no one reads our exchange!
Ahh.. but if u change any words u like in the bible, u r playing god and building your own religion. Why don't u just make something totally up which u believe in ?
Crazy .. when did I change words in the bible?Ok, fine. Then let the readers who had read the book judged themselves
Maybe they can answer your question better. -
I'd like to think you hit the jackpot when you said "U can't generalise tat water must either be evil or good, then treat water as evil when it is just water". That's the point I was trying to put across - the "source" is like water, you can use it for good or you can use it for evil.
I got to say again tat your analogy is really bad.
Your example like doesn't apply leh .. I read liao still catch no ball. Anyway your example is nothing new under the sun. More than 2000 years ago in China, someone asked this "paradox" - if black horse is horse, white horse also horse, does it mean black is white?
Water can be good (driving dynamo) Water can be evil (flood). Then u conclude evil is good.
Water can be hot (boiling water) Water can be cold (freezing water). Then can we conclude hot is equal to cold ?
Car can have a velocity (moving) Car can stop (statioary) SO is moving equal to stationary ?
There is something really wrong with your analogy because it mislead people and in reality it is totally senseless ! The point is about evil, not water. U can use water for good and evil doesn't means evil can be good Evil is the opposite of good. They r opposite ! U can't be fat and thin, or light and heavy (must be relative to the same frame of reference) at the same time !
So now u still have not name me how evil can be good.Crazy .. when did I change words in the bible?
The words written is days. U interprete it as billion of years. Then wat is tat call ? -
When did I conclude evil is good?Originally posted by stupidissmart:I got to say again tat your analogy is really bad.
Water can be good (driving dynamo) Water can be evil (flood). Then u conclude evil is good.
I said water (the source) can be used for evil or good .. it is up to you.The words written is days. U interprete it as billion of years. Then wat is tat call ?
It is called interpreting it intelligently.
For it is written, Psalm 90:4 (NIV) For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night. -
When did I conclude evil is good?
The reason I say God did not create evil is because it is very misleading. We are used to thinking evil is always bad, and so if evil originated from God then God must be even badder right?
I said water (the source) can be used for evil or good .. it is up to you.
I don't think so. After all God declared "it was very good" at the end of creation. So it must be good even for the unsavory parts right?
I wanted to say something like .. God created the source of evil, which isn't evil by itself, but which can lead to evil actions
Because the source of evil can be useful in other ways.
When I ask u to name,
A quick analogy - water can push the boat but can also sink it. So is water evil? Remember God used water to flood everyone to dead wor
Then now after all tis while wat r u trying to say ? HOw is evil useful ? How is evil source not evil ? U give me the water analogy, how do u use tat to explain about evil being good or useful ?It is called interpreting it intelligently.
Com'on lah, the bible already stated days in the first page
For it is written, Psalm 90:4 (NIV) For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night. . Before I start attacking the above phrase, I wanna u to affirm it first otherwise u just act slippery and insincere by stating a stand and quickly abandoning it -
Again it happens, the out of context problem.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Then now after all tis while wat r u trying to say ? HOw is evil useful ? How is evil source not evil ? U give me the water analogy, how do u use tat to explain about evil being good or useful ? -
I know some people who do that with what others say. Whether christian or non-christian.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Ahh.. but if u change any words u like in the bible, u r playing god and building your own religion. Why don't u just make something totally up which u believe in ?
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Honestly I don't know why you bother. He has proven himself worthy of this "reputation" already. And no matter what you say, he will purposely find some way to oppose it. Even if it means changing the meaning of what you said. Like an opposition party set up for the sake of being an opposition party.Originally posted by Icemoon:hello! Don't anyhow say hor.
you got read the article or not? I start this topic is because of people like you u know? -
Satan does not work under God. Not anymore at least.Originally posted by stupidissmart:another role satan play is when he is testing jesus. However jesus is god, and satan works under god. Does tat make sense ? -
You must understand, he has a different approach. Imagine the police inspector who already assumes the suspect is guilty, so finds anything possible to discredit the opposition.Originally posted by Icemoon:dun worry la .. me not trying to siam your question.
Actually did God torture Job? While God permitted Job to be tortured, it is not the same as saying God tortured Job.
As to why God allow Job to be tortured .. well I haven't study yet. So can I say I dunno?
Maybe when I know liao I tell you? -
He reads, but always likes things his own way you know?Originally posted by Icemoon:hello! Don't anyhow say hor.
you got read the article or not? I start this topic is because of people like you u know? -
To no one in particular. Sometimes, people get frustrated and stop talking to a person not because they are trying to avoid anything or that the person has superior debating skills. But rather they are just simply exasperated.
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That seems to be what you try to show everybody about all their analogies. It's like only yours are correct.Originally posted by stupidissmart:I got to say again tat your analogy is really bad. -
lol .. this time SumOne is my saviour.
Yes .. I think I should just stop talking to SIS. He is just bent on causing trouble. -
Aiyah, want to talk to him logically? Puke blood ah.Originally posted by Icemoon:lol .. this time SumOne is my saviour.
Yes .. I think I should just stop talking to SIS. He is just bent on causing trouble.