Are you able to accept gays (homos)?
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Originally posted by Icemoon:I am lost liao. Never mind.
I call you "him"?Heng was arguing that the chinese pov does not have any validity. I used one single example to overturn his argument.
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i think she was referring to me... i think i typed "his"Originally posted by Icemoon:I am lost liao. Never mind.
I call you "him"?
i didn't know Heng was a female. i've always thought otherwise
my sincere apologies -
like i said, i don't deal in absolutes. everything depends on circumstances.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:hmm, a relatively moderate view..
for eg, i personally dun support abortion, but i still recognise the rights of people to choose to undergo it, and i don't presume to judge them. And in any case, u can't simply say if its right or wrong without looking at every individual circumstance. -
He didn't really say a chinese POV says so. He based his reasoning on the theory of yin and yang, which is a chinese pov. Notice the focus is on yin and yang, he can omit the part about chinese pov, and his reasoning still stand. In that case, it is up to you to establish that yin and yang is a chinese pov. I believe if the chinese pov is omitted, your rebuttal will be completely different.Originally posted by HENG@:No. His argument was that it's wrong because a chinese POV says so. My rebuttal is that, giving many examples where once considered "right" chinese POVs are now either wrong or in a grey area, is proof that just because something is a chinese POV is not conclusive evidence in itself of the validity of something.
Often different beliefs in different cultures are just differently worded representations of the same observations and same things. So it is conceivable that in another culture, yin and yang are known by another name.
To quote a famous author - a rose by any other name will smell as sweet. -
Jesus never condemned gays. Ten commandments did not condemn gays or tell people not to be gay. Period.
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sian .. you dragged me into the water.Originally posted by ben1xy:i think she was referring to me... i think i typed "his"
i didn't know Heng was a female. i've always thought otherwise
my sincere apologies
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you are right.Originally posted by shade343:Jesus never condemned gays. Ten commandments did not condemn gays or tell people not to be gay. Period. -
u also made the same mistake. look at the post right at the topOriginally posted by Icemoon:sian .. you dragged me into the water. -
yes. i agree if he did not mention "a chinese POV" my rebuttal would be different. But as the line of discussion came along from talking about chinese beliefs "proving" that it's wrong, thats where the line of discussion liesOriginally posted by Icemoon:He didn't really say a chinese POV says so. He based his reasoning on the theory of yin and yang, which is a chinese pov. Notice the focus is on yin and yang, he can omit the part about chinese pov, and his reasoning still stand. In that case, it is up to you to establish that yin and yang is a chinese pov. I believe if the chinese pov is omitted, your rebuttal will be completely different.
Often different beliefs in different cultures are just differently worded representations of the same observations and same things. So it is conceivable that in another culture, yin and yang are known by another name.
To quote a famous author - a rose by any other name will smell as sweet. -
I hope he believe it was not a deliberate error on my part.Originally posted by ben1xy:u also made the same mistake. look at the post right at the top -
i was referring to icemoon all along.Originally posted by ben1xy:i think she was referring to me... i think i typed "his"
i didn't know Heng was a female. i've always thought otherwise
my sincere apologies -
u r doing it again ...Originally posted by Icemoon:I hope he believe it was not a deliberate error on my part. -
anyway, i said the same thing. so an apology should be given.Originally posted by HENG@:i was referring to icemoon all along. -
Yes, I can see your point.Originally posted by HENG@:yes. i agree if he did not mention "a chinese POV" my rebuttal would be different. But as the line of discussion came along from talking about chinese beliefs "proving" that it's wrong, thats where the line of discussion lies
Something I would not like to see is the argument disgressing to defending the chinese pov. I think we can argree that the chinese pov has its merits but these merits are never absolutes. -
he's not learning.Originally posted by ben1xy:anyway, i said the same thing. so an apology should be given.
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opps I did it again .. was this a britney song?Originally posted by ben1xy:u r doing it again ...
Old habits die hard.
I believe she has the magnanimity to forgive me right?
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seriously, it'll take us a while. still trying to get use to the ideaOriginally posted by HENG@:he's not learning. -
i see u all have finally reached a logical consensusOriginally posted by Icemoon:Yes, I can see your point.
Something I would not like to see is the argument disgressing to defending the chinese pov. I think we can argree that the chinese pov has its merits but these merits are never absolutes. -
I will be honored if a newcomer addresses Icemoon as a 'her'.Originally posted by ben1xy:seriously, it'll take us a while. still trying to get use to the idea -
u're finally learningOriginally posted by Icemoon:I believe she has the magnanimity to forgive me right? -
ru2 zi3 ke3 jiao1 ye!Originally posted by ben1xy:u're finally learning -
I think you guys need to ask yourself this qn: " Is homosexuality more than just personal perference?" Will you be doing any physical harm to yourself other than being discriminated?
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yes it's more than just personal preference. it's in-born.Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:I think you guys need to ask yourself this qn: " Is homosexuality more than just personal perference?" Will you be doing any physical harm to yourself other than being discriminated?
and no u are not doing any physical harm to yourself. Afterall, what physical harm can homosexuals do to themselves that straight people can't do? Being loose and getting STDs? straight people, gay people, all the same if u are loose and dun practice safe sex.
kids? i dun subscribe to the need to have genetic kids. one can easily adopt and give a kid already in this world and with no future a chance at a good life. With technology, genetic kids are looking more and more likely to be possible between couples of same sex.
What else? heartbreak? happens to straight ppl to. even discrimination happens to different race couples, or sometimes couples from different social standings.
far as i can see, nothing that can be suffered by gay people which is not sufferable by straight people. when it comes to love, nothing should be a barrier to pure love. -
like what physical harm?Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:I think you guys need to ask yourself this qn: " Is homosexuality more than just personal perference?" Will you be doing any physical harm to yourself other than being discriminated? -
i dont know if letting a kid have two fathers or two mothers is a good idea...Originally posted by HENG@:kids? i dun subscribe to the need to have genetic kids. one can easily adopt and give a kid already in this world and with no future a chance at a good life. With technology, genetic kids are looking more and more likely to be possible between couples of same sex.