Are you able to accept gays (homos)?
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I know what is that .. but show me how I'm guilty of it.Originally posted by ben1xy:
go google it!
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ok. I was wrong about your sexuality.Originally posted by HENG@:can u show some decency please? thats a rather f*cked up thing to ask. -
Let's seeOriginally posted by Icemoon:Of course the chinese point of view has validity.
from a chinese point of view, children are to have filial piety. Is it right or wrong to have filial piety?
so do you agree with me now?
Heng is arguing his case abt the Chinese POV
u used fillial piety to validate the Chinese POV
and there come to a conclusion that the Chinese POV is vald
it's like saying
A is black
black is good
there A is good -
Originally posted by ben1xy:Let's see
Heng is arguing his case abt the Chinese POV
u used fillial piety to validate the Chinese POV
and there come to a conclusion that the Chinese POV is vald
it's like saying
A is black
black is good
therefore A is good -
ehh .. i wonder what happened
how come my post got separated -
Like i said, nothing is absolute. and the thing is that i dun believe males and females are simply yang and yin. im sure there are females who are more yang and males who are more yin. Thats why there is homosexuality. and once again, its more or less part of nature. so no matter which way u want to look at it, from a chinese belief or english belief POV, its still a natural thing.Originally posted by Icemoon:wah .. you want to play numbers with me ..
It is not about the number of valid or invalid points, but how the point is applicable to the scenario at hand. The chinese believe strongly in filial piety, but they also have a term for blind filial piety - yu2 xiao4. Note that not everything is in black and white. For the example, you might not say yes. But what if your parents are dying? Will you want them to die in peace or huo2 huo2 qi4 si3?
Back to the topic, NUS raised the point on yin and yang. Perhaps it is true that too much yin or yang will harm your body? Haha. -
u just don't know me at all. and i don't like people who assume things about me, especially if they keep assuming wronglyOriginally posted by Icemoon:ok. I was wrong about your sexuality. -
wow .. you have affirmed the chinese theory of yin and yang.Originally posted by HENG@:Like i said, nothing is absolute. and the thing is that i dun believe males and females are simply yang and yin. im sure there are females who are more yang and males who are more yin. Thats why there is homosexuality. and once again, its more or less part of nature. so no matter which way u want to look at it, from a chinese belief or english belief POV, its still a natural thing. -
icey, i think my whole argument is off-tangent, juz ignore my earlier comments.
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you misunderstood, or rather you were reading too much into it.Originally posted by ben1xy:Let's see
Heng is arguing his case abt the Chinese POV
u used fillial piety to validate the Chinese POV
and there come to a conclusion that the Chinese POV is vald
it's like saying
A is black
black is good
there A is good
Heng was arguing that the chinese pov does not have any validity. I used one single example to overturn his argument.
essentially i am asking - are there no merits with the chinese pov? -
i never said i dun believe it. Often different beliefs in different cultures are just differently worded representations of the same observations and same things.Originally posted by Icemoon:wow .. you have affirmed the chinese theory of yin and yang.
However, i object to the over-simplistic chinese belief that ALL males are yang and ALL females are yin. much of this sort of misconception is probably borne out of social ignorance -
allow me to side-track for a while...Originally posted by HENG@:if over population resulting in state-sanctioned forced abortions, infanticide esp of female infants, using condoms and other contraceptives are also natural to u, then u have to see a doctor and a shrink to sort your double standard-ness out.
Also I find it disgusting that men think their penis is a god given gift for poking women with. I think god (and buddha) also dun sanction male chauvanism, and gross sexual indecency on the part of men.
are you in favour of birth control? -
yes. i realised that. hahaa.Originally posted by Icemoon:you misunderstood, or rather you were reading too much into it.
Heng was arguing that the chinese pov does not have any validity. I used one single example to overturn his argument.
essentially i am asking - are there no merits with the chinese pov?
that's why i said i was off-tangent in my earlier post .. coz i re-read the whole convo over again -
too late.Originally posted by ben1xy:icey, i think my whole argument is off-tangent, juz ignore my earlier comments.
I have issued my rebuttal. -
now.... that's what i call side trackingOriginally posted by SingaporeMacross:allow me to side-track for a while...
are you in favour of birth control? -
looks like u misunderstood.Originally posted by Icemoon:you misunderstood, or rather you were reading too much into it.
Heng was arguing that the chinese pov does not have any validity. I used one single example to overturn his argument.
essentially i am asking - are there no merits with the chinese pov?
I was arguing that the chinese POV is not a precedent for proof of validity.
u did not overturn my argument, u merely showed u did not get the point. -
Even if not all males are yang and all females are yin, it doesn't invalidate the argument that if two fully yang males fark around, it is bad for them.Originally posted by HENG@:i never said i dun believe it. Often different beliefs in different cultures are just differently worded representations of the same observations and same things.
However, i object to the over-simplistic chinese belief that ALL males are yang and ALL females are yin. much of this sort of misconception is probably borne out of social ignorance -
I'm neutral about it. I recognise we can't have unplanned pregnancies simply because it's harmful to the child who is born as a result. My stand is that if one doesn't want a pregnancy, one shouldn't be having straight sex, but seeing as humans are rather..... sex-crazed nowadays, it's probably a necessary measure.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:allow me to side-track for a while...
are you in favour of birth control?
also if we take into account the numbers of sexually transmitted diseases, and people's inability to control themselves, perhaps u can't do without it.
the point is, to try to talk about homosexuality being wrong because it's been perceived as "unnatural" (when it's not) is quite moot, since straight people often have to resort to actual unnatural things in order to best meet the circumstances. If straight people can accept many unnatural things, its perplexing why they cannot accept something that is natural which has been wrongly perceived to be "unnatural" -
no doubt. thats why 2 fully yang males won't be attracted to each other.Originally posted by Icemoon:Even if not all males are yang and all females are yin, it doesn't invalidate the argument that if two fully yang males fark around, it is bad for them.
the yin and yang argument can only explain attraction, it still can't invalidate or explain why males can have no preference for females and vice versa.
and i'd appreciate it if u would stop wrongly calling me "him". if u can't respect me then don't talk to me. -
Haven't you ppl learned yet than HENG@ is never wrong? Don't argue with her and she'll be quiet..like a woman is susposed to be.Originally posted by HENG@:looks like u misunderstood.
I was arguing that the chinese POV is not a precedent for proof of validity.
u did not overturn my argument, u merely showed u did not get the point. -
then it is ad hominem liao.Originally posted by HENG@:looks like u misunderstood.
I was arguing that the chinese POV is not a precedent for proof of validity.
u did not overturn my argument, u merely showed u did not get the point.
in the first place you are supposed to comment on NUS's argument about yin and yang, not the chinese pov.
However, i object to the over-simplistic chinese belief that ALL males are yang and ALL females are yin. much of this sort of misconception is probably borne out of social ignorance
this is the real rebuttal isn't it? And not all the negative points about polygamy, foot binding etc. -
MCP attitudes like these are just so obselete.Originally posted by skid:Haven't you ppl learned yet than HENG@ is never wrong? Don't argue with her and she'll be quiet..like a woman is susposed to be.
And if u insist on the falsehood that i am unable to conceed the point when im really mistaken, then have it your way. Unfortunately people would rather say things that are false if it makes them feel better. Esp MCPS. -
I am lost liao. Never mind.Originally posted by HENG@:no doubt. thats why 2 fully yang males won't be attracted to each other.
the yin and yang argument can only explain attraction, it still can't invalidate or explain why males can have no preference for females and vice versa.
and i'd appreciate it if u would stop wrongly calling me "him". if u can't respect me then don't talk to me.
I call you "him"? -
No. His argument was that it's wrong because a chinese POV says so. My rebuttal is that, giving many examples where once considered "right" chinese POVs are now either wrong or in a grey area, is proof that just because something is a chinese POV is not conclusive evidence in itself of the validity of something.Originally posted by Icemoon:then it is ad hominem liao.
in the first place you are supposed to comment on NUS's argument about yin and yang, not the chinese pov.
this is the real rebuttal isn't it? And not all the negative points about polygamy, foot binding etc. -
hmm, a relatively moderate view..Originally posted by HENG@:I'm neutral about it. I recognise we can't have unplanned pregnancies simply because it's harmful to the child who is born as a result. My stand is that if one doesn't want a pregnancy, one shouldn't be having straight sex, but seeing as humans are rather..... sex-crazed nowadays, it's probably a necessary measure.
also if we take into account the numbers of sexually transmitted diseases, and people's inability to control themselves, perhaps u can't do without it.