Omnipotent?
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well....i always only thought he has a "job" to do here and gave him the benefit of the doubt.Originally posted by M©+square:
All because of Icemoon. 
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Originally posted by klydeer:well....i always only thought he has a "job" to do here and gave him the benefit of the doubt.
I give him the credit....he really made the both of us contribute in this month's activity. -
His omnipotence applies to inherent possibilities, not inherent impossibilities
Nothing is impossible if u r omnipotent. If it is shown tat there is a limit to the powers, then he is not omnipotent. (Omnipotency states unlimited power)The conclusion i would have, is that God cannot create a rock He cannot lift, because He is Almighty - He is All powerful with the Authority (of Justice, of Love, of Righteousness) to exhibit that form of power.
Why does creating a rock obstructing justice, love or righteousness ? And from the way u say it, u r suggesting god is only almighty, not omnipotent. But from my understanding, god is omnipotent. Lets make it a true of false question. Is god omnipotent ? If he is, then your reply on almighty etc is meaningless because god is still omnipotent, even if he has the trait of almighty. -
Then perhaps your version of "omnipotency" is different of how i see it. i have explained it and if you would read carefully, you would not even have asked another time. And if you dont understand it, nothing much i can do either.
And by the way, my Almighty God is spelled with a letter "G" - how come a person like you who claimed to understand that God is omnipotent, would not give Him the reverence. Perhaps you think you are more than being omnipotent?
Anyways, reading your posts is becoming tiresome since you just wish to argue for the sake of arguing. Shoo ! -
SIS is always right. Same as me.
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Of course. He is always right to you and you are always right to him. period.Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:SIS is always right. Same as me. -
Simple, NUS_star isn't a christian for starters. Next, I have proven God's impotency in a logical sense.
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I wonder which one will god take? Viagra, Levitra or Cialis? And what kind of positions do God like? Must be missionaryOriginally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Simple, NUS_star isn't a christian for starters. Next, I have proven God's impotency in a logical sense. -
good that you have proven to yourselfOriginally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Simple, NUS_star isn't a christian for starters. Next, I have proven God's impotency in a logical sense. -
That's incorrect.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Nothing is impossible if u r omnipotent. If it is shown tat there is a limit to the powers, then he is not omnipotent. (Omnipotency states unlimited power)
There are impossible situations. For example, a thing cannot both exist and be non-existent at the same time. Or, 1 + 1 cannot be equal to 2 and 8 at the same time.
Btw, the noun of omnipotent is 'omnipotence', not 'omnipotency'.
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Not just to myself, but to the world at large.Originally posted by davidche:good that you have proven to yourself
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Next, I have proven God's impotency in a logical sense
Where ?There are impossible situations. For example, a thing cannot both exist and be non-existent at the same time. Or, 1 + 1 cannot be equal to 2 and 8 at the same time.
Then again tat reflects there is no such thing as true omnipotence since they r still restricted and need to obey certain laws (impossible or not possible) when it comes to their power -
It's a very popular and common paradox. No point splitting hairs on such issues. Now if God can make me rich, then we're talking.
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Hmm...Originally posted by pwnz0r:It's a very popular and common paradox. No point splitting hairs on such issues. Now if God can make me rich, then we're talking.
interesting,... why would God want to make you rich? -
I only want God to make my father and mother rich.Originally posted by vince69:Hmm...
interesting,... why would God want to make you rich?
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go ask Him loh... you can always talk to Him wat..Originally posted by M©+square:I only want God to make my father and mother rich. 
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Doth want lah.Originally posted by vince69:go ask Him loh... you can always talk to Him wat..
The Prayer of a Ungodly man doesn't availeth much leh. -
Here's the thing I don't understand... if we cannot prove the existance of God through logic, we can similarly use this reasoning to prove the existance of other things like the pink invisible unicorn, tooth fairies, santa claus.
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then the question will be, can logic be used to explain everything? and do we know enough of everything to be able to use logic to explain everything?Originally posted by kaister:Here's the thing I don't understand... if we cannot prove the existance of God through logic, we can similarly use this reasoning to prove the existance of other things like the pink invisible unicorn, tooth fairies, santa claus.
So if logic doesn't apply, wouldn't anything goes?
if one or both answer is No, then can we also logically assume that there are things/events that are currently beyond our logic to explain?
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Hmm... your first 2 questions banked on the fact that God is not bounded by logic.Originally posted by vince69:then the question will be, can logic be used to explain everything? and do we know enough of everything to be able to use logic to explain everything?
if one or both answer is No, then can we also logically assume that there are things/events that are currently beyond our logic to explain?
just a thought.
Okie, as for the direct answer to your questions. It'll be illogical to assume that logic cannot explain everything cos' if that's the case, what difference is God from toothfairies?
Let's say that even God exists. Given the logic in the TS's post, wouldn't God be not omnipotent cos' there's no such thing as true omnipotent?
I was also wondering if we don't rely on logic, what can we rely on?
Sorry for too many questions. Cos' I really don't understand lots of stuff at this stage. -
you got me wrong, I am refering to things in general, as we endeaver to use logic to explain things around us, we need to bear in mind that we are limited in the amount of knowledge and influenced by our own experiences in life.Originally posted by kaister:Hmm... your first 2 questions banked on the fact that God is not bounded by logic.
Okie, as for the direct answer to your questions. It'll be illogical to assume that logic cannot explain everything cos' if that's the case, what difference is God from toothfairies?
Let's say that even God exists. Given the logic in the TS's post, wouldn't God be not omnipotent cos' there's no such thing as true omnipotent?
I was also wondering if we don't rely on logic, what can we rely on?
Sorry for too many questions. Cos' I really don't understand lots of stuff at this stage.
probably some arguement sounds logical to some but illogical to others.
since the way we process logics is limited by our own self, can we then safely say that our logic cannot explain everything.
thats why I do not like to go into an argument to tear down another person's logic since my "logical" argument may well turn out to be illogical.
ok... I had spoken my peace on this subject, if you don't agree with me, just take what I said as rubbish. -
then the question will be, can logic be used to explain everything? and do we know enough of everything to be able to use logic to explain everything?
ehh... forgive me for asking but wat in the world is not logical other than lies ? Do the church go around and propagate tat god is illogical ? If it is illogical how do u seek trying to understanding it ? Even though there r some phenomenon that r hard to believe, people will still not abandon logic and try to explain it in a rational manner. Believe in something illogical really makes one an illogical person -
Originally posted by vince69:you got me wrong, I am refering to things in general, as we endeaver to use logic to explain things around us, we need to bear in mind that we are limited in the amount of knowledge and influenced by our own experiences in life.
probably some arguement sounds logical to some but illogical to others.
since the way we process logics is limited by our own self, can we then safely say that our logic cannot explain everything.
thats why I do not like to go into an argument to tear down another person's logic since my "logical" argument may well turn out to be illogical.
ok... I had spoken my peace on this subject, if you don't agree with me, just take what I said as rubbish. I understand what you're trying to say! You're saying that due to our limited views, we might not hold truly logical arguements and be subjective in one way or another.
Don't worry, what you've said makes sense and is not rubbish
However, it still doesn't explain my initial quesiton whether God is defined by logic? -
I understand what you're trying to say! You're saying that due to our limited views, we might not hold truly logical arguements and be subjective in one way or another.
Although so, it must be taken into account tat generally people accept the same form of reasoning and evidence when they r conducting logical arguments. Tat is why there is discussions during meetings, judges and lawyers, meeting between politicians, scientific arguments etc. If we just dismiss tat not everybody have the same experience and dismiss the whole idea of logical argument, then society will never proceed and men will never get closer to the truth. -
It's true that we cannot dismiss logic altogether as well. The whole fabric of our modern day society builds upon that.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Although so, it must be taken into account tat generally people accept the same form of reasoning and evidence when they r conducting logical arguments. Tat is why there is discussions during meetings, judges and lawyers, meeting between politicians, scientific arguments etc. If we just dismiss tat not everybody have the same experience and dismiss the whole idea of logical argument, then society will never proceed and men will never get closer to the truth.
So can God be defined by logic then?