Omnipotent?
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Many of the Protestant thinkers copied ideas from Augustine one.Originally posted by M©+square:I don't read Augustine aso. That's why i don't mention him.
Only know him by name.
Many people think the idea of grace comes from the Reformation .. but it actually came from Augustine when he fought with Pelagius.
The Catholics consider Augustine as one of their church fathers .. maybe that is why Protestants don't want to ren4 tong2. -
Yes, i have to agree that Augustine was the first who thought and wrote about 'Irresistable Grace' way before Calvin came up with his; a rather complex one. While Augustine is quite direct with his thoughts.
Church history and Catholic writers not my forte. (Zhuan1 Chang2) I admit first, if not kanna fire... -
I think Augustine lead more godly life than Calvin.Originally posted by M©+square:Yes, i have to agree that Augustine was the first who thought and wrote about 'Irresistable Grace' way before Calvin came up with his; a rather complex one. While Augustine is quite direct with his thoughts.
Church history and Catholic writers not my forte. (Zhuan1 Chang2) I admit first, if not kanna fire...
I feel one should rong2 hui4 guan4 tong1 .. 'cos I believe there are gems of human wisdom to be found everywhere. -
How come this sounds like some chinese lesson?
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Rong Hui Guan Tong in the Bible is enough, infact - more than enough.Originally posted by Icemoon:I think Augustine lead more godly life than Calvin.
I feel one should rong2 hui4 guan4 tong1 .. 'cos I believe there are gems of human wisdom to be found everywhere.
If one can see 'Rhema' in each and every verse of the bible...
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Chinese words are more precise.Originally posted by Honeybunz:How come this sounds like some chinese lesson?
Like chinese idioms only four characters .. but you need dunno how many english characters to express the same thing.
if can input chinese characters we can help save server space. -
Not everyone is gifted .. no matter how they say the Holy Spirit is in you.Originally posted by M©+square:Rong Hui Guan Tong in the Bible is enough, infact - more than enough.
If one can see 'Rhema' in each and every verse of the bible...
Fwoah!!!!!
I believe in standing on the shoulder of giants. -
Which also means powerless...Originally posted by the.owl:Omnipotent means god cant get an erection. oh wait, thats impotent. -
last time babyss was talking about him.Originally posted by Icemoon:How much do you know about Augustine? -
what did she say? you remember?Originally posted by davidche:last time babyss was talking about him. -
Haha....Originally posted by Icemoon:what did she say? you remember?
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How about Hebrew, Greek and Aramic?Originally posted by Icemoon:Chinese words are more precise.
Like chinese idioms only four characters .. but you need dunno how many english characters to express the same thing.
if can input chinese characters we can help save server space. -
What??!!! Everyone accepts the impotency of God?Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Which also means powerless... 
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cant remember,.... you happy??Originally posted by Icemoon:what did she say? you remember?
Stop picking on me.......dude.
Anyway, she said that evil is a deprivation of good. -
Me picking on you?Originally posted by davidche:cant remember,.... you happy??
Stop picking on me.......dude.
Come on .. you are not even worthy of my attention .. dude. -
Ok lah, for your benefit, here is a repost of the answer to this question:Originally posted by popmynutsy:i read bout this in xiaxue blog.
its about god being omnipotent and i find it a very good question.
Can God create a rock so huge that he cant even be able to lift it himself?
If God can create the rock and he cant lift it, he isnt really that omnipotent is he? And if God cant create the rock, he isnt really that omnopotent is he?
wad say you?
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What you have just written is a 'meaningless combination of words' (to quote C. S. Lewis).
There is no such thing as a stone that cannot be lifted by God.
- If a stone has infinite weight, then it would have infinite gravitational strength.
- This would mean that time stands still where the stone is, according to the theory of relativity.
- Lifting something is a motion, means implies a change in physical location relative to time.
- If time stands still, there can be no change, since change is a concept that has meaning only in time. And hence no motion is possible.
- Hence the question is meaningless.
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regards,
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wtf!!! you r so pro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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There is no such thing as a stone that cannot be lifted by God.
Whoever say tat the stone have to be infinite in weight in order for god not to lift it
- If a stone has infinite weight, then it would have infinite gravitational strength.
- This would mean that time stands still where the stone is, according to the theory of relativity.
- Lifting something is a motion, means implies a change in physical location relative to time.
- If time stands still, there can be no change, since change is a concept that has meaning only in time. And hence no motion is possible.
- Hence the question is meaningless.
Furthermore, doesn't some christians say tat god is nt define by physic ? As said before, the example just shows tat the word "omnipotent" is impossible. There is no such thing as omnipotent since it is logically impossible -
Logical thinking, but the question is not meaningless.Originally posted by ObiterDicta:Ok lah, for your benefit, here is a repost of the answer to this question:
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What you have just written is a 'meaningless combination of words' (to quote C. S. Lewis).
There is no such thing as a stone that cannot be lifted by God.
- If a stone has infinite weight, then it would have infinite gravitational strength.
- This would mean that time stands still where the stone is, according to the theory of relativity.
- Lifting something is a motion, means implies a change in physical location relative to time.
- If time stands still, there can be no change, since change is a concept that has meaning only in time. And hence no motion is possible.
- Hence the question is meaningless.
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regards,
obiterdicta
'There is no such thing as a stone that cannot be lifted by God.' That is your answer to the question, which leads to a conclusion. The question served it's purpose. -
Now its my turn.
The omnipotence of god has intrinsic limitations, self imposed as it were. He is intentionally limited by his moral character. For example, though nothing is impossible with God, Hebrews 6:18 tells us 'it is impossible for God to lie," His omnipotence applies to inherent possibilities, not inherent impossibilities.
CS.Lewis has an answer for the rock question.
"nonsense is still nonsense", whether we are talking about sth or about God. -
how come when it is my turn nobody questions?? *lonely
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they are all convinced?Originally posted by davidche:how come when it is my turn nobody questions?? *lonely -
The omnipotence of god has intrinsic limitations, self imposed as it were. He is intentionally limited by his moral character. For example, though nothing is impossible with God, Hebrews 6:18 tells us 'it is impossible for God to lie," His omnipotence applies to inherent possibilities, not inherent impossibilities.
Why is creating a rock a moral problem -
omnipotence my dear.
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The omnipotence of god has intrinsic limitations, self imposed as it were. He is intentionally limited by his moral character.
I repeat. Why is creating a rock a moral problem