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speaking of logic.
what logic is there when there's this supreme being called god?
when this god was nv created yet exists?
when this god is invisible?
when this god can create the whole universe in days?
when this god is omnipresent?
when this god is created human beings yet instil evil in them as a "balance"?
when this god (jesus) die for the sins of humans yet the believers commit more sins?
when this god created science yet his believers deny it?
when this god exists when there's no proofs?
when this god has a composition of nothing? -
have u tried soughting out these answers? there are lots of books out there. Non-christian ones that give very good perspectives.Originally posted by skyfoo:speaking of logic.
what logic is there when there's this supreme being called god?
when this god was nv created yet exists?
when this god is invisible?
when this god can create the whole universe in days?
when this god is omnipresent?
when this god is created human beings yet instil evil in them as a "balance"?
when this god (jesus) die for the sins of humans yet the believers commit more sins?
when this god created science yet his believers deny it?
when this god exists when there's no proofs?
when this god has a composition of nothing?
Therefore read up more. Even if u do not find God, at least u'll think in a broader perspective -
using abit of common sense, logic and basic thinking, u will know all above are just imaginary. y? coz it only applies to god. see the link?Originally posted by ben1xy:have u tried soughting out these answers? there are lots of books out there. Non-christian ones that give very good perspectives.
Therefore read up more. Even if u do not find God, at least u'll think in a broader perspective -
learning is a process. start from humanities, go on to the philosophers. try aristotle? Psychologist like Carl Jung, alfred adler? dun tell me these are incumbent people. They have all made significant contributions to society and the things they write is mind boggling. Read more, build a good foundation and then come and flex your mental capabilities.Originally posted by skyfoo:using abit of common sense, logic and basic thinking, u will know all above are just imaginary. y? coz it only applies to god. see the link?
Try reading abt the concept of good and evil not from a Christian perspective from humanities, u'll be surprised at the insights. or are u going to discount people from the humanities too?
honestly ur quote of 'using abit of common sense, logic and basic thinking, u will know all above are just imaginary. y? coz it only applies to god. see the link? is a very flimsy attempt at trying to de-bunk a debate that has been go for ages between the best minds of our time. -
Well no problem if you just wish to convince others based on what you believe. But in the first place you dont believe in what you are using to convince ! That is the problem !
U get the logic wrong. I do not believe in christainity, and I am convincing people not to believe in christainity. Is there anything wrong here ?
Again...incredible. firstly, how do you know that it is the harder to digest part of the bible if you dont believe in the bible ? Secondly, the river is something which A and B believe in ya ? A river. But you are telling me now, you dont believe in the bible. So based on your "river" and loch ness example , is it the same river we are talking about ?
First question. Tat is obviously easy because some part of the bible make incredible little sense and only madman or illogical people can believe in it. Do u need to believe in order to gauge ? I tell u the tooth fairy can become incredible hulk. Do u have to totally believe in tis theory first to refute it ? U just need common sense. Do u have common sense ? Otherwise why is it incredible to u ?
A & B believe in the river, however the point of contempt is the monster. Why bring in the idea of the "river" in ? I believe in the world is round, u believe too. I believe in the alphabet B is after the alphabet A and so does u. We believe in almost all the things. SO wat ? Incredible... U probably lost all sense of logic and r just writing for the sake of writingYes. My opinion of your way to refute or argue. Personal ? Why not, it comes from you anyways
If u wanna be nasty, I am also skilled in tis area as shown in the reply above However does mentioning personal opinion help the debate or worsen it ? -
if u read my post carefully and clearly, i'm questioning the logic of christianity. so what do all the stuffs u said can improve logic i wonder.Originally posted by ben1xy:learning is a process. start from humanities, go on to the philosophers. try aristotle? Psychologist like Carl Jung, alfred adler? dun tell me these are incumbent people. They have all made significant contributions to society and the things they write is mind boggling. Read more, build a good foundation and then come and flex your mental capabilities.
Try reading abt the concept of good and evil not from a Christian perspective from humanities, u'll be surprised at the insights. or are u going to discount people from the humanities too?
honestly ur quote of 'using abit of common sense, logic and basic thinking, u will know all above are just imaginary. y? coz it only applies to god. see the link? is a very flimsy attempt at trying to de-bunk a debate that has been go for ages between the best minds of our time. -
wow. so now Aristotle has no logic.Originally posted by skyfoo:if u read my post carefully and clearly, i'm questioning the logic of christianity. so what do all the stuffs u said can improve logic i wonder.
if that's how u see him, the great thinker... well then.
i guess i have nothing to say -
Originally posted by ben1xy:wow. so now Aristotle has no logic, neither did the fore fathers of Psychology.
if that's how u see Aristotle, well then.
i guess i have nothing to say -
Your logic is obviously not universal and pretty exculsive to your own world view - which to me is illogical and incredible.Originally posted by stupidissmart:If u wanna be nasty, I am also skilled in tis area as shown in the reply above However does mentioning personal opinion help the debate or worsen it ?
The topic of this discussion is very clear - You dont believe in something, dont use that something to show the world what you think. It just doesnt make any sense. But you keep insisting this is possible, even to the extent of "convince".
Unfortunately, as i said, this is your worldview. The examples you quoted is full of fallacies. So I am not convinced and is also very surprised by your illogical insistence. I actually thought some of your other pointers in this forum do make sense and due credit is given.
Nasty ? No, i am just being honest. You dont have to take it if you dont want to - afterall it is your own opinion vs mine. -
The topic of this discussion is very clear - You dont believe in something, dont use that something to show the world what you think. It just doesnt make any sense. But you keep insisting this is possible, even to the extent of "convince".
I think u view the topic differently from me. Some people only believe tat a book contain the ultimate truth and all other sources of information r wrong if they contrast differently from it. The only way to convince these people is by showing tat the book do not hold coherent sense itself, without even the use of external information. Of course u do not view the examples I had given seriously, otherwise u would have get the point. -
if i had not view the examples seriously, i wont even be bothered to reply.Originally posted by stupidissmart:I think u view the topic differently from me. Some people only believe tat a book contain the ultimate truth and all other sources of information r wrong if they contrast differently from it. The only way to convince these people is by showing tat the book do not hold coherent sense itself, without even the use of external information. Of course u do not view the examples I had given seriously, otherwise u would have get the point.
May i also ask: "your showing" that the book.....this concept of "showing" - where does the knowledge / wisdom leading to that "showing" comes from ? -
when this god was nv created yet exists?
what do you feel about this statement, stupidissmart???
If you ask me, i burst out into laughter once i read this!!
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honestly, i like your reply to his post. quite skillfulOriginally posted by ben1xy:learning is a process. start from humanities, go on to the philosophers. try aristotle? Psychologist like Carl Jung, alfred adler? dun tell me these are incumbent people. They have all made significant contributions to society and the things they write is mind boggling. Read more, build a good foundation and then come and flex your mental capabilities.
Try reading abt the concept of good and evil not from a Christian perspective from humanities, u'll be surprised at the insights. or are u going to discount people from the humanities too?
honestly ur quote of 'using abit of common sense, logic and basic thinking, u will know all above are just imaginary. y? coz it only applies to god. see the link? is a very flimsy attempt at trying to de-bunk a debate that has been go for ages between the best minds of our time.
If it were me. i wld speak into his face:hahahaha -
I see you laughing, i also burst into laughter. Laughing at your stupidity.Originally posted by davidche:when this god was nv created yet exists?
what do you feel about this statement, stupidissmart???
If you ask me, i burst out into laughter once i read this!! -
May i also ask: "your showing" that the book.....this concept of "showing" - where does the knowledge / wisdom leading to that "showing" comes from ?
Where does the knowledge/wisdom of the church rely on ? I bet u gonna say tat they have the "holy spirit" etc leading them. If tat is the case, why does the "holy spirit" lead the people into splitting into different groups, or massacaring people during crusader, inquisition and flip flopping decisions and issues such as slavery and evolution ?when this god was nv created yet exists?
I don't really understand wat u r laughing about
what do you feel about this statement, stupidissmart???
If you ask me, i burst out into laughter once i read this!! -
when this god was nv created yet exists?
i shall answer straight. The moment i see this question i know that the questioner must be a dumb one or a person lack of thinking.
If you want God to be created then who is God?? the one hu created him or he himself? -
i shall answer straight. The moment i see this question i know that the questioner must be a dumb one or a person lack of thinking.
U can believe tat nature creates everything, such as men, without divine assistance or u can believe in god create everything, nothing goes to nature. In your case u believe in the latter, and strangely u cannot answer the simple question on wat create god
If you want God to be created then who is God?? the one hu created him or he himself? If tat is the case, u already believe something can be created out of nothing, something like "nature" -
Stupid! You r the one unable to see the Truth. If something can exists without being create, then the Universe can just exists without being created. It is beginningless. Buddhism actually hold this view.Originally posted by davidche:i shall answer straight. The moment i see this question i know that the questioner must be a dumb one or a person lack of thinking.
If you want God to be created then who is God?? the one hu created him or he himself?
Davidche, some ppl dun find the root to their problems, will rather create an answer to suit their problems. The answer is God and it is created by Man. -
as long as i hv explained myself.
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thought only smarties have the answer?Originally posted by M©+square:**wait for David to give the answer. **
He claim to have all the Answers.
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Actually, your posts are quite something to watch. Would you ever be posting in the forums of other religions as well? Like ~ Buddhism: Wisdom Bliss ~?Originally posted by stupidissmart:U can believe tat nature creates everything, such as men, without divine assistance or u can believe in god create everything, nothing goes to nature. In your case u believe in the latter, and strangely u cannot answer the simple question on wat create god If tat is the case, u already believe something can be created out of nothing, something like "nature"