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can anyone enlighten me? if God created human why some people are borned with deficiencies? be it physical or mental.
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**wait for David to give the answer. **
He claim to have all the Answers.
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only the smarties smarties have the answer.Originally posted by M©+square:**wait for David to give the answer. **
He claim to have all the Answers. 
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One answer (not the only answer) could be that the sins of the parents affected their descendants.Originally posted by bluewinged:can anyone enlighten me? if God created human why some people are borned with deficiencies? be it physical or mental.
For example, children with aids.
If you don't buy the example .. then consider Chaos theory - the actions of someone can radically affect another person miles away. In other words, my sins can affect you. -
Wah so late haven sleep....
I think it just happen......... -
The question is Christianity's greatest stumbling block.Originally posted by laoda99:Wah so late haven sleep....
I think it just happen.........
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u sure only christianity's?Originally posted by Icemoon:The question is Christianity's greatest stumbling block. -
One way to answer this is: God created the process in which a human is made, ie, the genetics, the mechanics, and procedure....Originally posted by bluewinged:can anyone enlighten me? if God created human why some people are borned with deficiencies? be it physical or mental.
Along, the way, human mess up our own genetical make-up, or change the process somewhat....
To paraphrase your question, if God love man, why is there still suffering?
Consequences of our own actions? -
incest, sexual immorality, weird diets, idolatry and demon worships
all these do contribute to the defects u see now.
but even without the above factors, Man has sinned and fallen from God's glory...so the opposite of God's perfection is corruption and defects.
This is normal and to be expected. There's nothing wrong on God's side.
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Because they chose to be born like that. Its part of their lesson. Honour them for their choice!Originally posted by bluewinged:can anyone enlighten me? if God created human why some people are borned with deficiencies? be it physical or mental. -
[img]http://www.sharelor.com/out.php/i751_facetumr.jpg/img]Originally posted by shade343:Because they chose to be born like that. Its part of their lesson. Honour them for their choice!
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If I decide not to listen to the car company and fill up my car on petrol and try to run it, are my troubles the result of the car company's judgement on me? And as much as the people that I am trying to drive about are exclude from suffering the consquences of my mistake, will the car simply run because they are innocent?
I think sin is hardly a private thing, things that we think are only between us and God often affect others as well. And of course many things that happen to you may not be your fault... but I think we should trace the reason of why things go wrong in this world all the way back to why and how it first went wrong... and prehaps realize that there is still hope for us.
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Probably a good person to answer this question is one who is borned with deficiencies but yet trusted that God will enable him or her to do things beyond even that of a person without deficiencies.Originally posted by bluewinged:can anyone enlighten me? if God created human why some people are borned with deficiencies? be it physical or mental.
One of this person that i came to know is Nick Vujicic, a person without limbs.
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Now, what makes you say that ?Originally posted by Icemoon:The question is Christianity's greatest stumbling block. -
Because a loving and omnipotent God will not allow suffering!
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It is widely acknowledged within Christian circle to be the greatest stumbling block.Originally posted by klydeer:Now, what makes you say that ?
Theodicy is very tricky. The more you argue for a loving God, the more you cause your readers to stumble.
Ironically deists will not have such a big problem. -
Those with reincarnation beliefs can somehow sweep the problem under the carpet.Originally posted by laoda99:u sure only christianity's? -
i seen it discussed before
sweep under carpet..sheesh
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I wanted to say that but I desisted because of the huge can of worms.Originally posted by Chin Eng:To paraphrase your question, if God love man, why is there still suffering?
Consequences of our own actions?
Notice there are many forms of sufferings. I listened to Dr Ron Nash's audio sermon on apologetics before and below is an outline of his talk (emphasis mine). Note the scenario by the threadstarter. I suppose we can classify it under the gratuitous problem of evil?
IV. The Problem of Evil
A. Introduction - "Painful Preliminaries"
B. Three Problems
1. The Deductive Problem of Evil
a. Argument: Logical contradiction in Christianity
b. Response: Alvin Plantinga
2. The Inductive Problem of Evil
a. Argument: Strong probability that God does not exist
3. The Gratuitous Problem of Evil
a. Definition: Evil that has no redeeming value.
b. Examples
C. Popular Presentation of the Problem of Evil
1. Objectives
a. Provide a good example of apologetics at work against the toughest intellectual challenge that the Christian faith has to face.
b. Knock the problem of evil down to size. Reduce it to smaller, more manageable parts.
2. Naturalists and the Problem of Goodness
3. Problem exists because of the essential attributes of God.
a. All powerful (Omnipotent)
b. All knowing (Omniscient)
c. All good (Omnibenevolent)
d. Logical implications of beliefs
e. The problem of evil must be reconciled with the attributes of God.
4. Important Distinctions
a. Theoretical Problem vs. Personal Problem
b. Evil in General vs. Specific Instances
c. Moral Evil vs. Natural Evil
D. Divine Omnipotence
1. God does not violate the law of non-contradiction.
2. Are there evils that cannot be eliminated without bringing about a greater evil or lesser good?
E. The Christian's Basic Assumption about Evil
1. God created a world that now contains evil and has a good reason for doing so.
2. Two Questions
a. Suppose we do not know what God's reason is?
b. Why does the basic assumption stress the word "now"?
3. How did evil enter the world?
a. Augustine's Theory
b. Degrees of Goodness
c. Evil occurs when a lower good is elevated above a higher good.
d. Satan elevated himself.
e. Where did the impulse in Satan come from?
F. God permits evil to prevent a greater evil or lesser good.
1. What are the alternatives?
2. Reasons why evil exists
G. Final Considerations
1. Who has the burden of proof?
2. Does the naturalist cheat?
3. Are there worse things than dying?
4. Two Scriptures
a. Romans 8:28
b. Romans 8:18
5. Marilyn McCord Adams, Horrendous Evils and the Goodness of God -
do you find their explanation convincing?Originally posted by laurence82:i seen it discussed before
sweep under carpet..sheesh
or you feel their explanation only sweep the problem under the carpet, whereas Christians want to sweep also cannot sweep. -
and so why the selected ppls? must they be the ones who suffers for the sins of others and also to balance the human beings with imperfection? this again sounds so correct to me. another enlighteningOriginally posted by NT2:incest, sexual immorality, weird diets, idolatry and demon worships
all these do contribute to the defects u see now.
but even without the above factors, Man has sinned and fallen from God's glory...so the opposite of God's perfection is corruption and defects.
This is normal and to be expected. There's nothing wrong on God's side.
We r the freak! -
Perhaps people who really know about God's heart and his provision of Grace will have no problems with it at all. Afterall, what is there to argue ? People who refuse God will refuse everything that He represented anyways.Originally posted by Icemoon:It is widely acknowledged within Christian circle to be the greatest stumbling block.
Theodicy is very tricky. The more you argue for a loving God, the more you cause your readers to stumble.
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it seems that u christians still dun understand how we atheists think. for ur claim, u say we refuse god, but the fact is we dun believe in god. there's a difference here. by saying we refuse god, it's like saying we know that god exist but we deny it and claim otherwise. this is definitely no true and u know it. unless u can convince us that god exist, there's no way we believe in his existence. and till then, u shld not say we refuse him.Originally posted by klydeer:Perhaps people who really know about God's heart and his provision of Grace will have no problems with it at all. Afterall, what is there to argue ? People who refuse God will refuse everything that He represented anyways. -
Doesn't the parable of the weeds tell us what God is doing right now?Originally posted by Icemoon:It is widely acknowledged within Christian circle to be the greatest stumbling block.
Theodicy is very tricky. The more you argue for a loving God, the more you cause your readers to stumble.
Ironically deists will not have such a big problem. -
Hmm??? Does it tell???Originally posted by The return:Doesn't the parable of the weeds tell us what God is doing right now?