Bible Discussion: Are cherubims idols?
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Let's have some serious discussion about the bible. No, we are not going to debate the existence of God or the problem of evil. These are pet topics for certain people but they have been discussed until cows come home. furthermore they cause unhappiness and unnecessary division between believers and non believers, with mud slinging and names calling.
Let's have more constructive discussion. The topic I'm proposing is entitled "Why did God command cherubims to be placed on the ark?".
It is against the commandment thou shall not have any graven image .. not meh?
Why did God contradict Himself?
Or why is God so ba4 dao4? -
What are cherubims?
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Originally posted by laurence82:What are cherubims?
they are some kind of winged creatures. -
Cherubims are basically angelic beings and was first mentioned in Gen 3:24Originally posted by laurence82:What are cherubims?
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life -
in hebrew, the suffix im means plural....
so shd be just cherubim and seraphim, no need 's'.... -
Names attributed to this angelic order
interesting.
* Cherubiel
* Gabriel
* Ophaniel
* Raphael
* Uriel
* Zophiel
* Azazel
* Beelzebub
* Berith
* Lauviah
* Lucifer
* Marou
* Salikotal
* Shamsiel -
icemoon, the ark with it's cherubims was a copy of the realities in heaven.Originally posted by Icemoon:Let's have some serious discussion about the bible. No, we are not going to debate the existence of God or the problem of evil. These are pet topics for certain people but they have been discussed until cows come home. furthermore they cause unhappiness and unnecessary division between believers and non believers, with mud slinging and names calling.
Let's have more constructive discussion. The topic I'm proposing is entitled "Why did God command cherubims to be placed on the ark?".
It is against the commandment thou shall not have any graven image .. not meh?
Why did God contradict Himself?
Or why is God so ba4 dao4?
the ark symbolize God's presence.
God did not contradict Himself. The command was thou shall not MAKE AND WORSHIP..... -
verse 4 and 5 of Exodus 20 are not to be taken separately. -
alamak!
i tot the topic was "Bible Discussion: Are cherubims idiots?"
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I love that hymm
........Holy, Holy, Holy All the saints adore Thee.........cherubim and seraphim falling down before Thee, which wert and art, and evermore shalt be. -
cherubims are angels
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yes, the highest order of angels.Originally posted by laoda99:cherubims are angels -
is eden still around and the cherubim still guarding?
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as to Eden: yeah, i think so........but we don't know what's its name now.......maybe it's somewhere in Iraq or Mesopotamia.....i could be wrong.
Actually, God did not place guardians on Eden, the whole part of it.
in Eden God planted a gardern [Paradise]. that's where God put those angels after Adam and Eve fell.
in corinthians we are told that Paradise is now in the third heaven. -
specifically east of Eden is where the garden was.
Ge 2:8 And Jehovah God planteth a garden in Eden, at the east, and He setteth there the man whom He hath formed; -
Must be the former Saddam's palace lah .. so luxurious there.Originally posted by Ironside:as to Eden: yeah, i think so........but we don't know what's its name now.......maybe it's somewhere in Iraq or Mesopotamia.....i could be wrong. -
+1.Originally posted by Ironside:icemoon, the ark with it's cherubims was a copy of the realities in heaven.
the ark symbolize God's presence.
God did not contradict Himself. The command was thou shall not MAKE AND WORSHIP.....
So fundies should not criticise the RCs for having statues of saints in church.
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what translation is this?Originally posted by vince69:Cherubims are basically angelic beings and was first mentioned in Gen 3:24
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life
no plural for cherubim lah. -
the type-too-fast-without-checking translationOriginally posted by Icemoon:what translation is this?
no plural for cherubim lah.
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Originally posted by Ito_^:alamak!
i tot the topic was "Bible Discussion: Are cherubims idiots?"
me think you have been reading too much of those "Idiots series" of books.
I heard there is one titled "The Complete Idiot's Guide? to The Bible"
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It is when they bow and kiss the feet of the statues...Originally posted by Icemoon:+1.
So fundies should not criticise the RCs for having statues of saints in church. -
Originally posted by M©+square:It is when they bow and kiss the feet of the statues...
is this still being practiced? -
I still see it....occassionally.Originally posted by vince69: is this still being practiced?
Considered? -
can, just that I have not really see this before during those times I was there (which was quite a while ago).Originally posted by M©+square:I still see it....occassionally.
Considered?