pple who go NCC can get cured of AIDs?
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personally, I find his language quite ok leh, perhaps its the style of going round and round the bush that is the reason.Originally posted by Chin Eng:perhaps it might be because of poor writing skills????? perhaps more of linguistical reasons rather than ecclesiastical
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This is so stupid. Do you believe with all your heart and all your mind and all your strenght that there is only one God? Banish the idol in your head and ask God for Faith.Originally posted by Ironside:which God are you referring?
The God who wants us to trust in Christ alone for salvation?
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Which one God are you referring? The one God who gives faith to the sinner that he turns to Christ alone for salvation?Originally posted by casino_king:This is so stupid. Do you believe with all your heart and all your mind and all your strenght that there is only one God? Banish the idol in your head and ask God for Faith.
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Whatever; you do not believe that there is only one God. That means, you have an idol. Believing is one thing, Having faith is another and being born again is the 3rd. It all comes together, one, two and three in an instance. you then become like what Jesus said:Originally posted by Ironside:Which one God are you referring? The one God who gives faith to the sinner that he turns to Christ alone for salvation?
or the god who gives us faith to have faith in faith in one God to be saved?
John 3 WEB
1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 The same came to him by night, and said to him, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do, unless God is with him."
3 Jesus answered him, "Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can't see the Kingdom of God."
4 Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"
5 Jesus answered, "Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God!
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Don't marvel that I said to you,'You must be born anew.'
8 The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don't know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
9 Nicodemus answered him, "How can these things be?"
10 Jesus answered him, "Are you the teacher of Israel, and don't understand these things?
11 Most certainly I tell you, we speak that which we know, and testify of that which we have seen, and you don't receive our witness.
12 If I told you earthly things and you don't believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? -
another thing hor... this is what being Jesus' disciple is about and not prosperity as preached in NCC. They have sold Jesus short hor... it is so sad hor....
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Originally posted by casino_king:
back to my question:
Whatever; you do not believe that there is only one God. That means, you have an idol. Believing is one thing, Having faith is another and being born again is the 3rd. It all comes together, one, two and three in an instance. you then become like what Jesus said:
John 3 WEB
1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 The same came to him by night, and said to him, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do, unless God is with him."
3 Jesus answered him, "Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can't see the Kingdom of God."
4 Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"
[b]5 Jesus answered, "Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God!
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Don't marvel that I said to you,'You must be born anew.'
8 The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don't know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
9 Nicodemus answered him, "How can these things be?"
10 Jesus answered him, "Are you the teacher of Israel, and don't understand these things?
11 Most certainly I tell you, we speak that which we know, and testify of that which we have seen, and you don't receive our witness.
12 If I told you earthly things and you don't believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
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Which one God are you referring? The one God who gives faith to the sinner that he turns to Christ alone for salvation?
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u have my admiration. i sincerely do not know what he is talking about most of the times. but that is still ok. the worst is to put many extra words into your posts and start to condemn those extra words. now...thats quite something altogether.Originally posted by vince69:personally, I find his language quite ok leh, perhaps its the style of going round and round the bush that is the reason. -
Who is the "the god who gives us faith to have faith in faith in one God to be saved?" How many gods are there in your head?Originally posted by Ironside:back to my question:
Which one God are you referring? The one God who gives faith to the sinner that he turns to Christ alone for salvation?
or the god who gives us faith to have faith in faith in one God to be saved? -
How can you know? You have to be born againOriginally posted by klydeer:u have my admiration. i sincerely do not know what he is talking about most of the times. but that is still ok. the worst is to put many extra words into your posts and start to condemn those extra words. now...thats quite something altogether.
Jesus in John 3 was not asking you to understand, Jesus was asking you to be born again. -
just to add, prosperity does not restrict to money, its also means joy, peace, hope, health ...etc,Originally posted by casino_king:another thing hor... this is what being Jesus' disciple is about and not prosperity as preached in NCC. They have sold Jesus short hor... it is so sad hor....
having lots of money without joy, without peace in the house, without hope for tomorrow, always fell sick, is pathetic, not prosperity.
On the other hand, having enough money to spend and a life fill with joy, peace, hope and a great healthy life, is what prosperity is about.
God bless
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there are so many 'gods' contending for our worship but they are all false. But there's only One true and everliving God. The God who said that we must all come to Christ to be saved.Originally posted by casino_king:Who is the "the god who gives us faith to have faith in faith in one God to be saved?" How many gods are there in your head?
how are we saved my friend in your opinion? You would surely answer: 'Have Faith in God'
What in God are we to have faith in? I could say that i have faith in God that God would supply all my needs. But that doesn't mean that i will be saved by it. The demons believe that there's only one God but they are never born again. There's one particular truth we must have faith in God in to be saved.
What or should i say "who is that truth?" it's Christ. -
Nicodemus obviously believed that there's only one God. But he was never born again. the Lord directed them how in John 3 :16.
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Please do not give me that nonsense. NCC preach wealth as in money. I heard with my own ears the preacher making a joke about the saying "poor as a church mouse." Is the poor church mouse in the saying refering to a a sad, joyless, sick mouse? Or a penniless mouse.Originally posted by vince69:just to add, prosperity does not restrict to money, its also means joy, peace, hope, health ...etc,
having lots of money without joy, without peace in the house, without hope for tomorrow, always fell sick, is pathetic, not prosperity.
On the other hand, having enough money to spend and a life fill with joy, peace, hope and a great healthy life, is what prosperity is about.
God bless
He also liked to say that there are many rich people in his church. Joining a certain organisation with lots of rich people can make you rich; you might as well be a member of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce, for example.
The best joke of all is when he tries to tell those people who had been there for so long and are still materially poor that the reason for that is because their faith is weak. hahaha... when his bluff is called, he blames it on the poor souls.
I tell you why he preaches prosperity. Becuase he is not born again. He does not know what being born of the spirit is. If he does, he will tell people that it is better to be poor and be born of the spirit then to be rich. All he has to show is his own wealth which is peanuts compared to real rich people. So sad. -
do you know he is not joking about this part regarding "poor as a church mouse"? the context this was said is refering to people who insist that christians must live a life of proverty, cannot have enjoyment in life.Originally posted by casino_king:Please do not give me that nonsense. NCC preach wealth as in money. I heard with my own ears the preacher making a joke about the saying "poor as a church mouse." Is the poor church mouse in the saying refering to a a sad, joyless, sick mouse? Or a penniless mouse.
He also liked to say that there are many rich people in his church. Joining a certain organisation with lots of rich people can make you rich; you might as well be a member of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce, for example.
The best joke of all is when he tries to tell those people who had been there for so long and are still materially poor that the reason for that is because their faith is weak. hahaha... when his bluff is called, he blames it on the poor souls.
I tell you why he preaches prosperity. Becuase he is not born again. He does not know what being born of the spirit is. If he does, he will tell people that it is better to be poor and be born of the spirit then to be rich. All he has to show is his own wealth which is peanuts compared to real rich people. So sad.
that's why, cannot sleep during service, cause will ended up with only the first part of the message and not the full picture. -
If they are false then they are not God are they? They are idols are they not?Originally posted by Ironside:there are so many 'gods' contending for our worship but they are all false. But there's only One true and everliving God. The God who said that we must all come to Christ to be saved.
how are we saved my friend in your opinion? You would surely answer: 'Have Faith in God'
What in God are we to have faith in? I could say that i have faith in God that God would supply all my needs. But that doesn't mean that i will be saved by it. The demons believe that there's only one God but they are never born again. There's one particular truth we must have faith in God in to be saved.
What or should i say "who is that truth?" it's Christ.
I asked you to have Faith in God and you have so much difficulty. What does that say about yourself? You do not have Faith in God. Simple. You are not Born of the Spirit. Simple.
You asked, "What in God are we to have faith in?" Such arrogance, no wonder you do not have Faith in God. You are willing only to put your faith in an idol. -
Nick could not put his Faith in God because he believed that he had to fufill the letter of the law in order to be worthy.Originally posted by Ironside:Nicodemus obviously believed that there's only one God. But he was never born again. the Lord directed them how in John 3 :16.
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Obviously "christians must live a life of proverty, cannot have enjoyment in life" is rubbish. So is the reason you come to God is to be prosperous.Originally posted by vince69:do you know he is not joking about this part regarding "poor as a church mouse"? the context this was said is refering to people who insist that christians must live a life of proverty, cannot have enjoyment in life.
that's why, cannot sleep during service, cause will ended up with only the first part of the message and not the full picture.
The reason you come to God is to be Born of the Spirit.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. -
And please don't come and tell me that the reason to be born of the spirit is so that you can be prosperous.
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no I won't, cause they are separate issuesOriginally posted by casino_king:And please don't come and tell me that the reason to be born of the spirit is so that you can be prosperous.
oh... don't worry about this prosperity stuff, there is no use to chase after them, you won't be able to find them by chasing after them.
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Now you are making more sense. I am telling that there is more to it. I am telling you that as Jesus said, you can be born of the spirit. Do not rest until you are born of the spirit.Originally posted by vince69:no I won't, cause they are separate issues
oh... don't worry about this prosperity stuff, there is no use to chase after them, you won't be able to find them by chasing after them.
just rest in the goodness of God, and trust in His faithfulness.
Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. God is Spirit and when you are born of the spirit, you will know the will of God for your own life.
22 Many will tell me in that day,'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?' "pple who go NCC can get cured of AIDs?"
23 Then I will tell them,'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.' -
Originally posted by casino_king:
Do you know NCC is not the only good church is Singapore? so don't really need to go to NCC to get touch by God. the thing is, don't stick you head out and demand healing, know that its the grace of God and according to His pleasure the healing takes place. The pastor cannot heal anyone, Only God can do it, so don't put your faith in the pastor, nor the church to get you healed.
Now you are making more sense. I am telling that there is more to it. I am telling you that as Jesus said, you can be born of the spirit. Do not rest until you are born of the spirit.
Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; [b]but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. God is Spirit and when you are born of the spirit, you will know the will of God for your own life.
22 Many will tell me in that day,'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?' "pple who go NCC can get cured of AIDs?"
23 Then I will tell them,'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.'[/b]
oh, while everyone have faith, different people have different amount/level of faith, some have faith that God can heal them through medical science, others have faith that God can heal them miraculously, there is really no right or wrong answer to this, and we should not try to arm twisted God or restrict Him either. -
You don't get it do you? It is not about prosperity, not about healing, not about believing the pastor, not about good or bad church, it is about being Born Again and to do that you need to have Faith in God.Originally posted by vince69:Do you know NCC is not the only good church is Singapore? so don't really need to go to NCC to get touch by God. the thing is, don't stick you head out and demand healing, know that its the grace of God and according to His pleasure the healing takes place. The pastor cannot heal anyone, Only God can do it, so don't put your faith in the pastor, nor the church to get you healed. -
And become like you ?Originally posted by casino_king:How can you know? You have to be born again
Jesus in John 3 was not asking you to understand, Jesus was asking you to be born again.
No thanks, i rather run away from you and be with my Jewish Carpenter. -
Originally posted by vince69:do you know he is not joking about this part regarding "poor as a church mouse"? the context this was said is refering to people who insist that christians must live a life of proverty, cannot have enjoyment in life.
that's why, cannot sleep during service, cause will ended up with only the first part of the message and not the full picture. -
Frankly, you are an idolator.Originally posted by klydeer:And become like you ?
No thanks, i rather run away from you and be with my Jewish Carpenter.