pple who go NCC can get cured of AIDs?
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wat i need is medical evidenceOriginally posted by gohkatkat:i read before and heard many of such maricles...........seriously speaking...........though i won't want to criticise anything....its best to leave to the scientists to deal with cancer..........sickness.................praying only brings hope.........not cure.........
for me, I am a patient, and I was at NCC and I am not cured....even though I believe so.... -
talk about the genesis story about the first temptation, have anyone ever wonder why Adam and Eve did not set their eyes on the fruits from the tree of life which God had permit them to eat but instead desire that of the knowledge of good and evil which God had forbid them?Originally posted by gohkatkat:i read before and heard many of such maricles...........seriously speaking...........though i won't want to criticise anything....its best to leave to the scientists to deal with cancer.......................praying only brings hope.........not cure.........
and i like the genesis portion of the bible.......its so symbolic of the theme of the fall of man..........some time or another........man will be tempted to sin.......
short of glory as they call it............but how many can resist the temptation of the fruit........the knowledge between good and evill.........the knowledge of god........there are many as the saying goes........but few made it through -
lmao, and they say we follow traditions of men, when we follow oral tradition.Originally posted by vince69:ultra charismatics brings the charismatics to the extreme end, meaning, emphasis is given solely on the spoken word of God (Rema) and little or not on the written word of God, also most will just chase after signs and wonders. -
so what ails you..........??? i can do tissue slicing......to be examined under the microscope......i can do analytical blood screening for blood and other biological disorders................not mocking the religious groups here or anything but i rather have my analytical knowledge...........
let me quote you an example......my aunt once had breast cancer.....its no joke.....lucky it was benign.........not cancerous......and it was through the operation and medical knowledge that saved her life......of course we can't doubt the prayers and chants that bolstered her dwindled faith and courage........but essentially its science that helped in the end........
nevertheless religion played a role i guessed for the additional faith and courage........... -
as they said....cats curiosity that killed.......Originally posted by vince69:talk about the genesis story about the first temptation, have anyone ever wonder why Adam and Eve did not set their eyes on the fruits from the tree of life which God had permit them to eat but instead desire that of the knowledge of good and evil which God had forbid them?
the challenge of faith........i did that once but i ain't telling you my pacific experience ...........
this theme is like dr jekyll and mr hyde's story.....the eternal struggle between good and evil..............
evil cannot be killed......it can only be contained........and there must be a trigger factor for evil to manifest full form.
god never made human full 100% pure good........unless he is god himself. -
I think there is always a place for oral tradition (ie. church traditions), but we should never allow these traditions to override the written word of God.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:lmao, and they say we follow traditions of men, when we follow oral tradition. -
i have hep c....Originally posted by gohkatkat:so what ails you..........??? i can do tissue slicing......to be examined under the microscope......i can do analytical blood screening for blood and other biological disorders................not mocking the religious groups here or anything but i rather have my analytical knowledge...........
let me quote you an example......my aunt once had breast cancer.....its no joke.....lucky it was benign.........not cancerous......and it was through the operation and medical knowledge that saved her life......of course we can't doubt the prayers and chants that bolstered her dwindled faith and courage........but essentially its science that helped in the end........
nevertheless religion played a role i guessed for the additional faith and courage...........
yes...religion(or relationship) do help for me too.... -
in bolstering faith???btw......just to inform you people.....its best to have a JAB of hep virus vaccine.....i did mine.........its like 150 for all the vaccines......3 shots........and it provides some long term immunity...........at least i know i am protected........
virus infections are impossible to eliminate.....unless they have developed some rare medical stuff that can block viral replication........what drugs they have done is to slow it down.......not kill the virus.this is sad.......cos it will be nice if they have found the cure.......
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the vacinne u took is for Hep BOriginally posted by gohkatkat:in bolstering faith???btw......just to inform you people.....its best to have a JAB of hep virus vaccine.....i did mine.........its like 150 for all the vaccines......3 shots........and it provides some long term immunity...........at least i know i am protected........
virus infections are impossible to eliminate.....unless they have developed some rare medical stuff that can block viral replication........what drugs they have done is to slow it down.......not kill the virus.this is sad.......cos it will be nice if they have found the cure.......
so far...there is no vacinne and cure for Hep C.... -
how did you get hep c????hep virus can lead to alot of problems......like i know hep b infecttions can lead to liver failure and cirrhosis later in life......
some virus like hep virus can be passed on by kissing........sex (unprotected) ........food like clams (raw ones)
but don't ask me what variant forms there are.......
for some people who lived with infections and the infections are not hampering their daily lives.....count them lucky.......yes there are some cases.......but not too many.........those that present more infectious forms usually get into problem later when the infection manifests full form......... -
i belong to the 1 percent who do not know where they get hep c....doc says community transmitted....Originally posted by gohkatkat:how did you get hep c????hep virus can lead to alot of problems......like i know hep b infecttions can lead to liver failure and cirrhosis later in life......
some virus like hep virus can be passed on by kissing........sex (unprotected) ........food like clams (raw ones)
but don't ask me what variant forms there are.......
for some people who lived with infections and the infections are not hampering their daily lives.....count them lucky.......yes there are some cases.......but not too many.........those that present more infectious forms usually get into problem later when the infection manifests full form.........
yeah....hep c is the most dangerous of all the hep....can cause liver failure and cirrhosis easiest... -
ahhh....okay i see..........however as for some knowledge i have i wish to share among all.......maybe i am just a geek.....but you might like to pop your head into this website some day or another.....they have this website from medscape that has medical journals for students......medical students and for those interested.........
http://www.medscape.com/home its free!!!
you might find emerging technologies from the USA.......but mind you.....emerging technologies are very expensive.....like the ones i know of inserting pancreatic cells into the pancreas for insulin (diabetes)........this is something new i heard of when i was a medical tech student in SP biotech......nice technology....but it costs tonnes of money for such technology.......essentially life saving but very expensive and i think only the sultan or some king can afford such treatment.........anyway good luck to those who are seeking some alternatives on medscape...... -
so easy.Originally posted by vince69:talk about the genesis story about the first temptation, have anyone ever wonder why Adam and Eve did not set their eyes on the fruits from the tree of life which God had permit them to eat but instead desire that of the knowledge of good and evil which God had forbid them?
'cos they already had eternal life .. eat fruit of life for what? -
Don't play around with words. Does it matter if the robber beside Jesus was not a Christian?Originally posted by casino_king:The first disciples of Christ were never called Christians. Many of them died without being known as Christians. God does not belong to the Christians. When you are born again you will understand. The Churches will never teach you these things because as far as I can see; they are teaching the knowledge of Good and Evil and even prosperity. They are like the serpent selling the "apple" to Eve. I have no wish to be called a Christian.
God does not belong to the Christians. In fact God does not belong to anybody, but everyone belongs to God. -
Originally posted by casino_king:
"Be Born Again." - How interesting. Your slogan ?
When Jesus told you about earthly things and you do not believe; what makes you think that you have any understanding regarding heavenly things? What makes you think that you know about eternal consequences?
If I told you earthly things and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell you heavenly things? CLICK HERE
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. CLICK HERE Did it say God created the heavens and the earth and Hell?
Read what the Genesis Adam and Eve story is trying to tell you. You [b]are the Adam referred to in Genesis. Not some mythical man in the story. The story is about you. You have "eaten" of the fruit of Good and Evil and now think that you are like God. Able to know and judge what good and evil is.
All you know are consequences of your actions. You have no knowledge of Good and Evil. You think that eating some apple (reading the bible; doing bible study) will give you the knowledge of good and evil?
How dare man (and you) presumes to know and understand what Good and Evil (Heaven and Hell) are is beyond me.
Your words show clearly that you have strong beliefs but is not born again.
Stop taking pride in your intellectual knowledge and understanding.... and stop taking pride in your knowledge of good and evil.
Be Born Again
The wind bloweth where it will, and thou hearest the voice thereof, but knowest not whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. CLICK HERE[/b]
How is your life compared between the now and the before since you emphasised on this phrase ?
How do you know a person is not born in the spirit ? Or a new creation ?
By his or her words alone ?
Please, enlighten us. Less, i am reminded of what you just said to 1 Peter 2:10-12. -
1 Peter 2:10 who in time past were no people, but now are God's people, who had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
11 Beloved, I beg you as foreigners and pilgrims, to abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
12 having good behavior among the nations, so in that of which they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they see, glorify God in the day of visitation.
How is your life compared between the now and the before since you emphasised on this phrase ?
Let me give you some sgforums history lessons.
First I asked: Where is the evidence?
Subsequently I said: Have Faith in God
and Now: Be Born Again
How do you know a person is not born in the spirit ? Or a new creation ?
By his or her words alone ?
There is no evidence looking from the outside. Only you yourself know.
The wind bloweth where it will, and thou hearest the voice thereof, but knowest not whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. CLICK HERE[/b] -
[quote]Originally posted by casino_king:
How is your life compared between the now and the before since you emphasised on this phrase ?
Let me give you some sgforums history lessons.
First I asked: Where is the evidence?
Subsequently I said: Have Faith in God
and Now: Be Born Again
Thanks, i think i can still read and need no sgforums history lessons from you. All i wanted to know, is your professed "be born again" and real life experiences. If you have none, dont ask me again and again to look at places where it is empty. i wonder why u like to act and toy around with the holiness of God's teachings. What you say about faith in God doesnt even say anything at all.
How do you know a person is not born in the spirit ? Or a new creation ?
By his or her words alone ?
There is no evidence looking from the outside. Only you yourself know.
Good. Then stop judging people if they are a new creation or not since you are not "them". -
Originally posted by klydeer:
If I am not wrong you are doing the judging at the present?
[quote]Originally posted by casino_king:
[b]How is your life compared between the now and the before since you emphasised on this phrase ?
Let me give you some sgforums history lessons.
First I asked: Where is the evidence?
Subsequently I said: Have Faith in God
and Now: Be Born Again
Thanks, i think i can still read and need no sgforums history lessons from you. All i wanted to know, is your professed "be born again" and real life experiences. If you have none, dont ask me again and again to look at places where it is empty. i wonder why u like to act and toy around with the holiness of God's teachings. What you say about faith in God doesnt even say anything at all.
How do you know a person is not born in the spirit ? Or a new creation ?
By his or her words alone ?
There is no evidence looking from the outside. Only you yourself know.
Good. Then stop judging people if they are a new creation or not since you are not "them".
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Faith in God is Faith in God; there is nothing to say. There is only one God and you put your Faith in God.Originally posted by klydeer:Thanks, i think i can still read and need no sgforums history lessons from you. All i wanted to know, is your professed "be born again" and real life experiences. If you have none, dont ask me again and again to look at places where it is empty. i wonder why u like to act and toy around with the holiness of God's teachings. What you say about faith in God doesnt even say anything at all. -
I have said it many times; there is no need to ask about my personal experiences because all that you want to know has been recorded in the Bible. Just do not end up believing the Bible instead of putting your Faith in God.Originally posted by klydeer:All i wanted to know, is your professed "be born again" and real life experiences. . -
Bible - if people wants to read, they can have access to. Why do u keep stating what is already obvious ? "All we need to know is from the Bible". Yes...ok... but how do you live out the Word of God and place yourself under the authority of God's teachings ?Originally posted by casino_king:I have said it many times; there is no need to ask about my personal experiences because all that you want to know has been recorded in the Bible. Just do not end up believing the Bible instead of putting your Faith in God.
Relating ur personal experiences to claims u made through the Word of God is fundamental to living as a child of God. No ? Then what faith are u talking ? In the first place, i am not quite sure if "Faith" can be so causually spoken !
Judging you ? sorry i dont have that kind of authority nor that intention. Perhaps, in the real life, you are not what you speak. That is why i am asking. And asking u very simple issues which u claimed to know and just disagree with the statements u made of others in this forum.
Anyways, you stated clearly here you are not answering those questions. So be it. My intention of asking you, your personal experiences is to know more about you and the claims u made, because reading your postings are confusing and contradictory.
Peace of the heart.
May the Lord's blessings be upon you. -
Reading my posts are confusing and contradictory to you because you are not born again! I know that you will now come back and ask me how I know that. I know that because I have been through what you went through.Originally posted by klydeer:Bible - if people wants to read, they can have access to. Why do u keep stating what is already obvious ? "All we need to know is from the Bible". Yes...ok... but how do you live out the Word of God and place yourself under the authority of God's teachings ?
Relating ur personal experiences to claims u made through the Word of God is fundamental to living as a child of God. No ? Then what faith are u talking ? In the first place, i am not quite sure if "Faith" can be so causually spoken !
Judging you ? sorry i dont have that kind of authority nor that intention. Perhaps, in the real life, you are not what you speak. That is why i am asking. And asking u very simple issues which u claimed to know and just disagree with the statements u made of others in this forum.
Anyways, you stated clearly here you are not answering those questions. So be it. My intention of asking you, your personal experiences is to know more about you and the claims u made, because reading your postings are confusing and contradictory.
Peace of the heart.
May the Lord's blessings be upon you.
I have made it very clear and simple.
There is one God.
Have Faith in God
Be Born Again
Yet you find it contradictory and confusing. If you find this contradictory and confusing, then you are not born again. -
which God are you referring?
The God who wants us to trust in Christ alone for salvation?
or the god who wants us to trust in ourselves , in what we do for salvation? -
Originally posted by casino_king:Reading my posts are confusing and contradictory to you because you are not born again! I know that you will now come back and ask me how I know that. I know that because I have been through what you went through.
I have made it very clear and simple.
There is one God.
Have Faith in God
Be Born Again
Yet you find it contradictory and confusing. If you find this contradictory and confusing, then you are not born again.
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perhaps it might be because of poor writing skills????? perhaps more of linguistical reasons rather than ecclesiasticalOriginally posted by casino_king:Reading my posts are confusing and contradictory to you because you are not born again! I know that you will now come back and ask me how I know that. I know that because I have been through what you went through.
I have made it very clear and simple.
There is one God.
Have Faith in God
Be Born Again
Yet you find it contradictory and confusing. If you find this contradictory and confusing, then you are not born again.