Buddhism and Christianity
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Mysticism teaches extra biblical teachings, to them the Bible is not enough, they want more extra revelations.Originally posted by Ito_^:if mystisim teaches that the traditional way of churches, etc, is incorrect, isn't it dualism itself?
but i dun think he meant this right? in fact, traditional religion is not incorrect..? -
ahh i see. i sorta mixed up some things that you said.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Yes - but after he surrendered, at that point, the Cross becomes a symbol of the divine.
Wait - I didn't type the Eckhart Tolle's part after reading your message - what a conincidence.
you see, ego to me is a person's individuality, if god overtaken your ego, you basically loses your individuality and every word you say, does not belong to you but god. you, as in really your individuality died.
that was my impression, so if buddha retains his individuality, it doesn't seem right..
but anyways, u did answer my question i was trying to ask. which means.. lets say a person who has given up his ego is like a drop of water in the ocean of water. the ocean of water is in fact that little drop of water now, and that little drop of water is also that ocean of water. -
eeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk..........Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Mystics believe that in whatever situations, even the most horrible situation, once you surrender to God, that torture instrument will become the symbol of the divine. And Jesus showed us very clearly how it can be done.
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How can it not be? When God is not seperated from you - all is divine.Originally posted by laoda99:eeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.......... -
I mean the torture..........like that the jews in nazi concentration camps all enlighted liao.........Originally posted by An Eternal Now:How can it not be? When God is not seperated from you - all is divine.
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But even God is beyond individualityOriginally posted by Ito_^:ahh i see. i sorta mixed up some things that you said.
you see, ego to me is a person's individuality, if god overtaken your ego, you basically loses your individuality and every word you say, does not belong to you but god. you, as in really your individuality died.
that was my impression, so if buddha retains his individuality, it doesn't seem right..
but anyways, u did answer my question i was trying to ask. which means.. lets say a person who has given up his ego is like a drop of water in the ocean of water. the ocean of water is in fact that little drop of water now, and that little drop of water is also that ocean of water.
Have you forgotten the earlier discussion? That God is beyond comprehension, beyond dualism, 'entity'.
Losing ego doesn't mean he loses all his memory. It means losing the illusion that the self is real, in reality it is only a tiny fraction of God and you become trapped in that - your memory belongs to you, that you have your own personal possessions, that is mine, this is mine, etc. Or you're still seeking something you havent gotten all your life. All 'me'. Surrender to God and lose all these ego.
God is the Source, the higher reality. -
thats why i refered to freud, who said that when a person recount his dream, it may not be totally accurate from what actually happened in the dream.Originally posted by vince69:Mysticism teaches extra biblical teachings, to them the Bible is not enough, they want more extra revelations.
so the revelations based on mysticism in the same sense, may not be correct. as buddhism seeks - to question, even your own senses. should the mystic questions his own revelations? -
you guys keep posting, me going to bed...good night
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If only the jews learnt to surrender...Originally posted by laoda99:I mean the torture..........like that the jews in nazi concentration camps all enlighted liao......... -
nights.Originally posted by vince69:you guys keep posting, me going to bed...good night
i go koon oso le.
and see if my piss will get overtaken with the toilet water anot. -
I think they did....Originally posted by An Eternal Now:If only the jews learnt to surrender...
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Mysticism is like an awakening to God, not a dream.Originally posted by Ito_^:thats why i refered to freud, who said that when a person recount his dream, it may not be totally accurate from what actually happened in the dream.
so the revelations based on mysticism in the same sense, may not be correct. as buddhism seeks - to question, even your own senses. should the mystic questions his own revelations? -
They may still be crying 'why has God forsaken me' but forgotten the next step which is 'thy will'. How many can truly surrender at such a time.Originally posted by laoda99:I think they did.... -
everything is like a dream.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Mysticism is like an awakening to God, not a dream.
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sometimes i have this deja vu feeling that what I am doing now I have already did. Am I dreamingOriginally posted by Ito_^:everything is like a dream. 
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Originally posted by Ito_^:everything is like a dream.
Losing ego doesn't mean he loses all his memory. It means losing the illusion that the self is real, in reality it is only a tiny fraction of God and you become trapped in that - your memory belongs to you, that you have your own personal possessions, that is mine, this is mine, etc. Or you're still seeking something you havent gotten all your life. All 'me'. Surrender to God and lose all these ego.
Yes that egoic seeking is a dream. The waking up/surrender is not. -
I think they just resign to their fate......Originally posted by An Eternal Now:They may still be crying 'why has God forsaken me' but forgotten the next step which is 'thy will'. How many can truly surrender at such a time.
A lot of them lost so much faith in their religion, why their messiah never come save them.....
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isn't this incorrect to the mystism belief?
OldMan:
i concur with you, the christian god is just but one of the many gods, he has not and will not attain nirvana. -
first part i understand.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Losing ego doesn't mean he loses all his memory. It means losing the illusion that the self is real, in reality it is only a tiny fraction of God and you become trapped in that - your memory belongs to you, that you have your own personal possessions, that is mine, this is mine, etc. Or you're still seeking something you havent gotten all your life. All 'me'. Surrender to God and lose all these ego.
Yes that egoic seeking is a dream. The waking up/surrender is not.
second part i do not. how do u noe what u are awakening up due to revelation or dreaming dat u are awakening? -
u all very cheem leh....Originally posted by Ito_^:first part i understand.
second part i do not. how do u noe what u are awakening up due to revelation or dreaming dat u are awakening?
I think I am lost
So an apple i am eating now isn't an apple??? -
Jesus's understanding of God, I believe, is different from many Christian's understanding of God.Originally posted by Ito_^:isn't this incorrect to the mystism belief? -
matrix. if the taste of chicken is programmed into your mind, how can you be so sure that what you are eating is really chicken?Originally posted by laoda99:u all very cheem leh....
I think I am lost
So an apple i am eating now isn't an apple??? -
When you no longer need to ask that and it becomes crystal clear to you.Originally posted by Ito_^:second part i do not. how do u noe what u are awakening up due to revelation or dreaming dat u are awakening?
When dualism falls apart and your old identity is completely shattered.
When you can completely comprehend - not conceptually (which is impossible) but directly - that God is all pervading and you are part of it. There is no longer an individual self and everywhere is the Kingdom of God. -
so if u give me $100/- now, it is all in your mind and u haven give me $100/-?Originally posted by Ito_^:matrix. if the taste of chicken is programmed into your mind, how can you be so sure that what you are eating is really chicken?
Can u give me $100/- now? -
see if i can dream about it later.Originally posted by laoda99:so if u give me $100/- now, it is all in your mind and u haven give me $100/-?
Can u give me $100/- now?