Holy Spirit
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What is the role of the Holy Spirit in the past and today? Can anyone give a compare and contrast...? The Holy Spirit dwell in followers of Christ now, did the Holy Spirit dwell in believers before Christ? What did the Holy Spirit do to help them then?
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go to your church leaders
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if only i have the answer.
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According to the Bible, the Holy Spirit was released on the day of Pentecost (refer to Acts of Aposltes, the first couple of chapters). Prior to that event, it manifested itself during the baptism of Jesus. Old Testament Jews relied on a series of prophets and judges to proclaim the message of God.Originally posted by whereismyrib:What is the role of the Holy Spirit in the past and today? Can anyone give a compare and contrast...? The Holy Spirit dwell in followers of Christ now, did the Holy Spirit dwell in believers before Christ? What did the Holy Spirit do to help them then?
Thanks
You are obviously incapable of giving good solid Biblical answers. Please refrain from posting such boh liao statements. Your credibility is zilch and any more such answers will only make you look extremely stupid.Originally posted by huaqing:go to your church leaders
Besides me, there are many other strong Christians with good grounding of the
Word of God.
I'd behave myself if I were you.....
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Come Holy Ghost,
Creator blest,
and in our hearts take up Thy rest.
Come with Thy grace,
and heavenly aid,
To claim the hearts which Thou has made,
to claim the hearts which Thou has made.. -
Believers now rely on the Holy Spirit to help them fight the temptations in life and strengthen their faith in Jesus because the Holy Spirit indwell in believers now. So I'm wondering before the Holy Spirit was released, how did the Jews and Gentiles overcome all temptations and fix their eyes onto God?Originally posted by Chin Eng:According to the Bible, the Holy Spirit was released on the day of Pentecost (refer to Acts of Aposltes, the first couple of chapters). Prior to that event, it manifested itself during the baptism of Jesus. Old Testament Jews relied on a series of prophets and judges to proclaim the message of God. -
There are several mentions about the Holy Spirit (aka The Spirit of God or The Spirit of the Lord) in the Old Testament
example:
Genesis 1:2
but many times is to empower someone (prophets/judges) to do some specific task:
example Judges 3:10, 6:34
In the New Testament, however, its more of a function of comforter (John 14:16), although some translation translate this to Counselor, helper...etc
Just to name a few...
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If you asks leaders you will probably get two answers depending on which theological camp they are in.Originally posted by whereismyrib:What is the role of the Holy Spirit in the past and today? Can anyone give a compare and contrast...? The Holy Spirit dwell in followers of Christ now, did the Holy Spirit dwell in believers before Christ? What did the Holy Spirit do to help them then?
Thanks
Those who embrace covenant theology believes that the Church of God existed around Abraham's time and thus say that the role of the Holy Spirit is the same as His role in the Church now.
those who embrace dispensational theology believes that the Holy Spirit has a distinct role between Church Age times, Israel and pre-Israel times.
I personally believe that the role of the Holy Spirit is the same in every age whether in the Old Testament or in tHe New Testament times [though i embrace dispensational theology]
The Holy Spirit
1) convicts us of sin makes us see our utter helplessness
2) opens our eyes with regards to the righteousness offered by the Lord Jesus
3) sanctifies [makes us righteous], conforms, fills molds us unto the image of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Like in the Church age the Holy Spirit indwells them
Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying: "Where is He who brought them up out of the sea With the shepherd of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them,
Like in the Church Age, they can grieve the Holy Spirit
Isa 63:10 But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit; So He turned Himself against them as an enemy, And He fought against them.,
The difference however is that the Spirits indwelling can be on and off depending on the faithfulness of the believer.
Ps 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
1Sa 11:6 Then the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard this news, and his anger was greatly aroused.
and
1Sa 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the LORD troubled him.
One of the reasons why the Holy Spirit's ministry is on and off is because of the nature of the Covenant they are in. They are in a conditional covenant. The Old Covenant.
Does this mean that they can lose their salvation back then?
I don't think so. Like in our age, God has His own elect. And when you are elected you are guranteed preservation.
Old tesatament election
1Ki 19:18 "Yet I have reserved seven thousand in Israel, all whose knees have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that has not kissed him."
paul quoting the same verse for God's election said:
Ro 11:4 But what does the divine response say to him? "I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal."
5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. -
seems like the replies are mostly quoted from the Bible.
go read you Bible then!!
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Amen.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Come Holy Ghost,
Creator blest,
and in our hearts take up Thy rest.
Come with Thy grace,
and heavenly aid,
To claim the hearts which Thou has made,
to claim the hearts which Thou has made.. -
Originally posted by Ironside:
Amen.
If you asks leaders you will probably get two answers depending on which theological camp they are in.
Those who embrace covenant theology believes that the Church of God existed around Abraham's time and thus say that the role of the Holy Spirit is the same as His role in the Church now.
those who embrace dispensational theology believes that the Holy Spirit has a distinct role between Church Age times, Israel and pre-Israel times.
I personally believe that the role of the Holy Spirit is the same in every age whether in the Old Testament or in tHe New Testament times [though i embrace dispensational theology]
The Holy Spirit
1) convicts us of sin makes us see our utter helplessness
2) opens our eyes with regards to the righteousness offered by the Lord Jesus
3) sanctifies [makes us righteous], conforms, fills molds us unto the image of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Like in the Church age the Holy Spirit indwells them
Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying: "Where is He who brought them up out of the sea With the shepherd of His flock? [b]Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them,
Like in the Church Age, they can grieve the Holy Spirit
Isa 63:10 But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit; So He turned Himself against them as an enemy, And He fought against them.,
The difference however is that the Spirits indwelling can be on and off depending on the faithfulness of the believer.
Ps 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
1Sa 11:6 Then the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard this news, and his anger was greatly aroused.
and
1Sa 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the LORD troubled him.
One of the reasons why the Holy Spirit's ministry is on and off is because of the nature of the Covenant they are in. They are in a conditional covenant. The Old Covenant.
Does this mean that they can lose their salvation back then?
I don't think so. Like in our age, God has His own elect. And when you are elected you are guranteed preservation.
Old tesatament election
1Ki 19:18 "Yet I have reserved seven thousand in Israel, all whose knees have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that has not kissed him."
paul quoting the same verse for God's election said:
Ro 11:4 But what does the divine response say to him? "I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal."
5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
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