is it possible for non-christians to be with christians?
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I guess giving the non Christian ample time will make things a lot easier. At least, the non Christian won't feel the pressure. But of course, the time has to be indefinite. The Christian cannot set a target and say "I am giving you XX year's time to convert...." Instead, he/she should say, "Only when you're ready..."Originally posted by InnoHippo:this expectation that non-Christian will eventually convert is also quite tricky .....
it like assuming Christian partner will eventually renounce faith for love
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my bf is a strict roman catholicOriginally posted by laurence82:even with different religion, what matter most is both are understanding towards each other...
no use even having same religion but quarrel all the time....
But what I know is for Catholics(?) and Muslims, their spouses must be strictly of the same faith.
and he found out that it is possible for his wife to be of a different religion
but there must be some criterias
mmm honestly i cant remember what they are
but if even i can meet these criterias...
ok i think u need to believe that there is a god
erm no aethist i think
and i know that my children have to be baptised and they're gonna get to be catholic until during their confirmation they can choose whatever they wish to be -
oh yeah hmm and i think one of those pre marriage counselling/meeting with the priest is "Required"
of course u can dont go lah
but u know sometimes between two persons
its all the compromise that is important
i mean i told him right in the beginning, i'll never convert. i'll die before i convert
but im ok with my children being catholic
so there voila! compromise -
It's true that Catholics can marry non Catholics. But both have to see the priest. And then the couple have to go for the Marriage Preparation Course or Engaged Encounter retreat where they learn about married life. So far, all the couple who are ready to get married benefit from the courses.
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x2Originally posted by Honeybunz:It's true that Catholics can marry non Catholics. But both have to see the priest. And then the couple have to go for the Marriage Preparation Course or Engaged Encounter retreat where they learn about married life. So far, all the couple who are ready to get married benefit from the courses. -
what the Bible forewarned and if people continue to carry on their own way..is called sin. excuses like 'its my freedom'....'i dun see there's much harm in this' seems reasonable...to me as well. But in the true essence of being a Christian...not a signboard version..is to deny yourself, pick up the cross and follow Christ. If you cannot do that....then my harsh reply to all of you is...dun pretend and deceive yourself......dun call yourself a christian.
As harsh as it seems...i bear absolute no apology for saying that for that is the expectation and requirement Christ gave to the people during His days when they want to follow Him. The apostles and early disciples did....what makes us feel that we can be some cosy happy go lucky Christian who takes the Bible as a secondary consideration and our self interests as primary?
I shall not carry on to re-explain why and why not 'unequally yoked' relationships r not allowed and to re-emphasise that Divorcing your non-believer partner is never taught in the Bible. at all.
What God forewarned and if men continue to walk in that very path He forbid, the rest of the consequences that befall upon u....dun u dare look up to heaven and blame God.
Rather..look into the mirror. -
i wait for SIS to come in...
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SIS dun and unable to change biblical standards. -
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Tell me NeonTetra, do other churches allow divorce? I'm assuming they don't?
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Go out, know more people first... hang out with your church mates after service, get to know them better. IF a non-chrisitian seems attractive now, it could be that your social circles in church aren't wide enough.
PErhaps some key questions to ask yourself before you get into a relationship
1. Do I really love the person or my dick just wants to penetrate her {lust}
2. Will this relationship lead to marriage...if so what consequences does such a pairing bear in the future?
Remember, if you get married, it is not just about two of you but your entire dynasty to come. You better pray and seek God's advice before proceeding on. IF you let your dick to rule your heart, then good luck man.... when your wife becomes old and shaggy and issues like money come in...if both parties do not have God as a foundation, the ride is going to be very rough.
I leave you with these verses
Luke 12 : 29 - 31
Pray and meditate about it. Let God lead you to the right one. -
again...we cannot enforce say die die cannot divorce. Reading Old and New Testaments..we do encounter instances whereby Moses allow people to issue certificate of divorce..but tt is not an anyhow affair....it is the result of an adulterous spouse.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Tell me NeonTetra, do other churches allow divorce? I'm assuming they don't?
Jesus in His reply to the scribes explain why God thru Moses allow separation...because of human sin. What God has joined together, let not men made asunder.
The Bible do not promote divorce and infact has given instructions after instructions regarding maintining a godly marriage, not defiling the marriage bed, not coveting other people's wives and not commiting extra-marital affairs, loving husbands and wives and honour them. Love them as ourselves.
Chuches do allow divorces only under severe circumstances such as physical/sexual abuse and many other matters i am not in the position to list out.
Prevention is better than cure. -
hi, im wisely, mod of a new religion fourm - http://taoism.sgforums.com
hope we all can learn and share useful thoughts and ideas together. we believe in mutual learning and sharing.
heavenly blessings. -
I will like to put in a simple example ..
If I enjoy going to church, cellgroups, serving God in ministries, helping the less fortunate, reading bible, discussing about God, praying etc etc ..
And if I married someone who does not enjoy most if not all the above.
Then practically, I can only compromise by doing less of what I enjoy so as to spend more time with her, doing things she enjoy.
In conclusion, if my belief is only a preference, I will find nothing very wrong that. I can prefer chocolate ice cream to vanilla, but if no chocolate .. aiya .. vanilla also can la!
If its a conviction, I may find myself in an extremely difficult position.
In the end of the day, its up to us!
If God is a pigment in our imagination, then we might as well do whatever we desire!
If He is real .. we had better make a wiser choice
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Obviously from the look of the responses, u can say tat it is not possible for christian and non christian to be together. From some people here, they r just waiting for a chance to convert u to be christians.
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I don't see why it isn't possible. I don't have an overwhelming urge to convert my non-Christian friends but I do my best to live my life as honestly as I know how to, and to offer them help when they ask me for it.
At the same time our religious beliefs may not agree on issues like divorce, contraception, etc but we agree to disagree. I know the friends I choose do not engage in criminal/perverse activities, so why should they have a negative influence on me? -
Religions are simple sets of teachings, but humans tend to make it so difficult and so confusing.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Obviously from the look of the responses, u can say tat it is not possible for christian and non christian to be together.
Let me ask you all a simple question :
Christian marry Christian = Sure won't divorce or Separation ?
Who can tell me that Christians and Christians will surely make good couples ?
Another question : Christian + Non-Christian = Alien ?
If a christian and a non-christian be together will their future generations become alien?
I seriously don't understand why many of the christian friends tend to make their religion so outstanding and so complex.
Think of it ...
Why is there terms like 'christians and non-christians' ???
Why I never come across new terms like "Taoists and non-Taoists" or 'Buddhists and Non-Buddhists' or 'Islam and non-Islam' ???
Ponder over this ...
What is so special of a Christian that non-Christians cannot be with them?
Coz they go churches but non-christians don't ?
I don't think so.
Why make things so difficult ?
If a couple like each other, they should like the partner's character and personality, not the religion!
If they marry coz of any religion, why not ask them marry the religion and be the religious leader of the religion he/she like?
I can say that this religion issue between different religion is quite a headache. Recently, many newly-wedded find themselves trapped in this religion issue and causes many heated arguements between couples. Quite a number of separations or divorces are related to religion issues.
I believe all should be open-minded towards different religions.
All religions are same, all teaches us to do good deeds and help others.
I am a Taoist priest, I personally don't see any BIG differences between devotees of different religion.
Like the $10 plastic notes and the $10 paper notes ...
Both value is $10 ... whats the BIG difference ?
The quality of the plastic notes may be better, but so what?
It is still $10.
Material different but value same.
Religion may be different, but all of us are still human.
As long is human male + human female = Whats the big fuss ?
(But if say male + male / female + female ... that will be a totally different story liaoz ! )
Respect each other's freedom of religion
I believe this is the most important !From some people here, they r just waiting for a chance to convert u to be christians.
So lets keep this a open topic to chat about.
Don't make this topic a converting session or a baptising session!
Remember !
Freedom of religion!
Regards,
Chung Kwang Tong (Wei Yi) -
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I find the new replies encouraging
Why can taoists and non-taoist, buddhist or non-buddhist or hindu and non-hindu having no problem when their spouse is from a different religion is just because they don't treat people who don't believes as a sin. For the other religion like Islam, christainity and catholic they felt tat u r marrying a scripture criminal therefore they r not so keen towards it -
If a muslim and a christian marry? Who should convert and why? State your case.
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hmm this is what i think. if she can accept that my God comes before her, and she can accept my lifestyle, and stuff like that, i have no problem with it.
i wun limit myself to just christian girls, because simply most of them suck big time.
i mean, it doesn't mean i don't love her or accept her. but if she cannot accept who i am, its gonna be hard to get along. kinda not worth it. and its not exactly something which can be compromised or changed. its not like changing a bad habit which ticks her off.
that's the hard part -
not really, i noe a lot of christians gals who are cool people, even tho some may not be chio...
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If a muslim and a christian marry? Who should convert and why?
Both religion r stubborn at tis issue so the answer to it will be not be one on religion but on the couples' situation themselves. Which side will face a more serious backlash if they convert ?i mean, it doesn't mean i don't love her or accept her. but if she cannot accept who i am
A question, if she is a muslim and cannot go into your church and had to pray 5 times a day, give money to their mosque and fast during certain period of time.She is going to treat her god as a higher priority than u as well. R u going to accept her ? Wat religion r u going to bring up her children as ? -
shrugs. not for my case.Originally posted by laurence82:not really, i noe a lot of christians gals who are cool people, even tho some may not be chio...
as for stupidissmart. i don't like malays so i dun tink i hv such a problem -
Why don't u imagine it is a super chio caucasian model instead ? Not all muslim r malay u know... .
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i only like chinese!