Are drivers of wheelchair-friendly buses allowed to do this?
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
e.g. companies run a full simulation of their disaster recovery plan to make sure nothing is left out and find out problems.
One or two test runs should be enuff(for 1 route).
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
One or two test runs should be enuff(for 1 route).
ya, and there are several bus routes in Singapore rite?plus they have to consider the test variables, fuel costs, manpower needed etc.
Multiply them together, got quite a big task for them too..
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
You dun really need the actual bus to test out the bus stops you know... There are specifications and dimensions... If the bus stop doesn't fit to the dimensions specified then work needs to be done, easy as that. No need for actual bus to go around to physically test it. Talking about bus stops here.
Routing shouldn't be a problem. If there is, then even WAB buses won't ply the route.
and that, again, takes time. for them to modify the bus stops also mean they have to carry out some road works and this takes days.
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Originally posted by BusSpeeder:
you expect them to have finish modifying all the bus stops before they came out with the ruling? even if they started when they came out with the ruling, do think of manpower. there are so many bus stops in Singapore, manpower is needed for them to retrofit the bus stops, but at the same time, manpower is also needed for other things as well. doesn't building MRT stations and lines/infrastructure, building structures need manpower?
The government has already bungled up on this one. Prolly they should have started work even before they implemented the rule. The construction industry is not doing well(for the last 2~3 yrs), they could have started with it long ago(and also boosted the construction industry, am I wrong?).
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
ya, and there are several bus routes in Singapore rite?plus they have to consider the test variables, fuel costs, manpower needed etc.
Multiply them together, got quite a big task for them too..
Nothing is impossible for the PAP leadership(or so they say)...
Well meeting the already long overdue thing for refurbing bus stops is impossible for them then...
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
The government has already bungled up on this one. Prolly they should have started work even before they implemented the rule. The construction industry is not doing well(for the last 2~3 yrs), they could have started with it long ago(and also boosted the construction industry, am I wrong?).
and then neglect the business industries, manufacturing industries, etc. ? they have to balance out between all of the industries to boost the country's economy and other factors relevant.
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Originally posted by BusSpeeder:
and that, again, takes time. for them to modify the bus stops also mean they have to carry out some road works and this takes days.
And again, they should have done it long ago... Even before implementing the rule on having WAB buses. Shouldn't they be the ones pre-empting on situations?!
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Originally posted by BusSpeeder:
and then neglect the business industries, manufacturing industries, etc. ? they have to balance out between all of the industries to boost the country's economy and other factors relevant.
Well even if you do it all at once I can't see how the other industries are going to collapse of lack of manpower.
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Originally posted by BusSpeeder:
you expect them to have finish modifying all the bus stops before they came out with the ruling? even if they started when they came out with the ruling, do think of manpower. there are so many bus stops in Singapore, manpower is needed for them to retrofit the bus stops, but at the same time, manpower is also needed for other things as well. doesn't building MRT stations and lines/infrastructure, building structures need manpower?
Aren't almost all of our bus shelters got rebuilt rather recently, around when they start upgrading for PIW accessibility on the MRT/LRT?
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
And again, they should have done it long ago... Even before implementing the rule on having WAB buses. Shouldn't they be the ones pre-empting on situations?!
they should be, however, there are also other situations they have to look into, be it economically or politically
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
Aren't almost all of our bus shelters got rebuilt rather recently, around when they start upgrading for PIW accessibility on the MRT/LRT?
For buses and bus stops and surrounding areas, it takes time. to me it would be impossible as it would not be possible for all bus stops to be WAB -
Originally posted by BusSpeeder:
and then neglect the business industries, manufacturing industries, etc. ? they have to balance out between all of the industries to boost the country's economy and other factors relevant.
So serious ar...Maybe best time to do now en-masse, a lot of people looking for job no job right now...
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Originally posted by BusSpeeder:
and that, again, takes time. for them to modify the bus stops also mean they have to carry out some road works and this takes days.
This is what I call the failure of the Singapore Transportation system. The government and transport operators do not go hand in hand together...
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Originally posted by sbst275:
For buses and bus stops and surrounding areas, it takes time. to me it would be impossible as it would not be possible for all bus stops to be WABDon't need all, most can already, look at the current WAB services, not all bus stops are accessible.
P.S. Not all rebuilt shelters are accessible. e.g. Jurong Rd.
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
Well even if you do it all at once I can't see how the other industries are going to collapse of lack of manpower.
i didn't say the other industries are going to collapse because there is lack of manpower, but aren't you slowing down the other industries if you are focusing just on the construction industry?
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
So serious ar...Maybe best time to do now en-masse, a lot of people looking for job no job right now...
Yalorh... Now economy so bad, a lot of pple finding jobs, like that the government can create jobs mah... -
Originally posted by BusSpeeder:
i didn't say the other industries are going to collapse because there is lack of manpower, but aren't you slowing down the other industries if you are focusing just on the construction industry?
Economy so bad I am sure got people laid off willing to take any construction job in the industry... But then dun tell me LTA needs 30% of construction industry to do this rite?
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
Economy so bad I am sure got people laid off willing to take any construction job in the industry... But then dun tell me LTA needs 30% of construction industry to do this rite?
i'm not referring just to the current economy, but the economy a year or two back as well. economy back then was stable.
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Originally posted by BusSpeeder:
i'm not referring just to the current economy, but the economy a year or two back as well. economy back then was stable.
Stable can make even more stable mah... Even last time unemployment was still high leh...
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
Nothing is impossible for the PAP leadership(or so they say)...
Well meeting the already long overdue thing for refurbing bus stops is impossible for them then...
lol. now start putting the blame on the govt? -
Originally posted by TIB537B:
lol. now start putting the blame on the govt?
True. They said they can accomplish practically anything and everything, and yet being on time for such a scenario is something they didn't accomplish. Isn't it the ministries' fault? -
Heres my 2 cents worth.
LTA has been converting many bus stops to PIW friendly ones already. (like widening the gap between the bollards). There are certain bus stops where it is not possible to convert, such as those on slopes (unless u want to repave the whole road?). Another type will be those that are on a narrow pavement beside some fence (like some LCK ones).
I believe there are several reasons why services are not WAB services:
1) The bus stops along its route are not PIW-friendly (some of the non-PIW friendly bus stops seems perfectly fine to me, dunno whats the reason behind it)
2) The route is not PIW friendly. (I dont really think 151 can be a WAB service cos the NUS roads are too steep. If PIW forget to lock wheelchair then they will get injured)
3) The BCs are not trained. Its not as simple as driving a bus. There are many small things to take note of. I saw a 198 BC undergoing training b4. The instructor was telling him to stop the bus in line with the 1st bollard or something so the wheelchair ramp will open up exactly between bollards. Some BCs may not be willing to take uo this extra responsibility.
4) Not enough WAB buses. I rmb last time someone complained to ST forums that he waited more than 1 hour for a Svc 7 WAB at Botanical Gardens bus stop. So if SBST cannot commit the required number of buses, it will not be a WAB service. -
have you checked the timetable before taking the bus... in the hopes of boarding a B9TL..
you check the timing & be at the bus stop on time.. and the bus that arrives isnt a wheelchair friendly bus?
i've had such experiences on WAB services like 21 & 72. -
Originally posted by sinicker:
have you checked the timetable before taking the bus... in the hopes of boarding a B9TL..
you check the timing & be at the bus stop on time.. and the bus that arrives isnt a wheelchair friendly bus?
i've had such experiences on WAB services like 21 & 72.There's also once on a faithful Sunday iirc, that Service 21 has no WABs until in the afternoon when a B9TL came in...
That goes to show how "
" SBS Transit can be, or in fact, even SMRT Buses as well.. 
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i think theres only one solution
scrap the whole WAB idea until all buses are replaced.