Are drivers of wheelchair-friendly buses allowed to do this?
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
Please... All and ALL routes should have been tried by the relevant ministries to be WAB-certified before commencing a WAB bus service(which should have been long ago). The only exception is particular bus stops. But don't tell me that all bus stops on a route are PIW-UNfriendly?
this means,converting majority of the buses to WAB buses. Do u know how much does a bus cost? and how much it will cost the company to change the whole fleet within a year?
The companies are now inplementing the changes, and if u dun mind a spiralling transport cost, den by all means, persue the company to abandon their old fleet and change their whole fleet overnight. and ya, To engage companies to revamp all bus-stops across the country.
What if, this PIW wishes to alight on that stop that is PIW unfriendly which is on a WAB Bus service! whose fault is it now?
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
that's y..
n it's just not fast enough
This one is 100% agreed. However I think the main problem is the thing about the PIW unfriendly bus stops. The government was the one that came out with this rule, and should have pre-empted the situation by modifying or doing whatsoever was needed with them. It looks like the transport ministry has stepped on its own toes on this one.
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
PIWs can board WAB only
of course any other pasenger can take e WAB mah..
as in, there are other passengers. Consider the fact that it is also Zero - step easy access. I know PIW can board WABs only BUT infrastructure constraints limit the use for now. I understand how this feature can go wasted for a while but the PIW space do double up as a standee area/ pram area.I can assure you that once the infrastructure constraints are removed, there will be more services that will go WAB certified.
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and apparently e govt is to be blamed..
e rate in which WABs r coming n e infrastructure r just not balanced.
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
as in, there are other passengers. Consider the fact that it is also Zero - step easy access. I know PIW can board WABs only BUT infrastructure constraints limit the use for now. I understand how this feature can go wasted for a while but the PIW space do double up as a standee area/ pram area.I can assure you that once the infrastructure constraints are removed, there will be more services that will go WAB certified.
agreed..
n e PIWs have to wait for a yr or 2 b4 everything materialises.
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
den if tts e case you're talking like as if passengers big fark liddat.of coz wat.
u tink bus companies pluck $$$ frm air to pay drivers ah.
nt dat me is a frequent commuter though - no like to squeeze wif certain ppl.
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
that's y..
n it's just not fast enough
how fast do you want them to be? you can't expect them to focus on transport and neglecting other factors like infrastructure, economic development, etc.?
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
agreed..
n e PIWs have to wait for a yr or 2 b4 everything materialises.
every project have a transition period,these bus services have to improve the infrastructure and to manage the movement of old/new fleet of buses.
they are trying to ensure that more WAB certified services
we have to give them credit for doing so.
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Originally posted by corebooster:
this means,converting majority of the buses to WAB buses. Do u know how much does a bus cost? and how much it will cost the company to change the whole fleet within a year?
The companies are now inplementing the changes, and if u dun mind a spiralling transport cost, den by all means, persue the company to abandon their old fleet and change their whole fleet overnight. and ya, To engage companies to revamp all bus-stops across the country.
What if, this PIW wishes to alight on that stop that is PIW unfriendly which is on a WAB Bus service! whose fault is it now?
Come on the government was the one who created this rule ok... LTA is the one who is supposed to lead the way on this. Yet we dun see PIW unfriendly stops being modified(I haven't even seen one being mod)... Isn't that the government's fault? What I am talking rite now has NOTHING, NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the transport companies. Oh btw if you didn't know, bringing a PIW on/off a bus is easy. You dun even need the ramp. Four people(BC and three pax) can do the job.
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
agreed..
n e PIWs have to wait for a yr or 2 b4 everything materialises.
actually, we're in the middle of the changes :) of course, things take time. Even BLE/Circle line needed time to be constructed before it serves the respective regions. -
Originally posted by Hello Kitty:
of coz wat.
u tink bus companies pluck $$$ frm air to pay drivers ah.
nt dat me is a frequent commuter though - no like to squeeze wif certain ppl.
Well, reserve those complaints to yourself and try running a company yourself. -
Originally posted by BusSpeeder:
how fast do you want them to be? you can't expect them to focus on transport and neglecting other factors like infrastructure, economic development, etc.?
The government has been talking about how efficient there are. On public transportation things, I dun agree on that...
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Originally posted by corebooster:
every project have a transition period,these bus services have to improve the infrastructure and to manage the movement of old/new fleet of buses.
they are trying to ensure that more WAB certified services
we have to give them credit for doing so.
SBST and SMRT can take their time for taht. I mean the entire WAB certification by the relevant ministries should have been done AGES AGO.
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
This one is 100% agreed. However I think the main problem is the thing about the PIW unfriendly bus stops. The government was the one that came out with this rule, and should have pre-empted the situation by modifying or doing whatsoever was needed with them. It looks like the transport ministry has stepped on its own toes on this one.
they are already modifying some of the bus stops already. there must be PIW-unfriendly bus stops since they came in much earlier. aren't they doing their best to modify them to cater to PIWs?
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
The government has been talking about how efficient there are. On public transportation things, I dun agree on that...
And people will start speculating due to lack of info from the relevant govt agencies. Examples can be seen in this thread already lol. -
Originally posted by TIB537B:
actually, we're in the middle of the changes :) of course, things take time. Even BLE/Circle line needed time to be constructed before it serves the respective regions.I know what you mean. But if the government comes out with a rule and doesn't actively participate in it is it the transportation companies' fault? Of course not...
The government is not doing its own part.
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
SBST and SMRT can take their time for taht. I mean the entire WAB certification by the relevant ministries should have been done AGES AGO.
with one demonstrator from Scania/Volvo on several bus routes (at the ages ago)?i mean, the bus stops have to cater for different types of new WABs that are going to be considered for purchase. They can't possibly use the demo for every service to test.
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Originally posted by BusSpeeder:
they are already modifying some of the bus stops already. there must be PIW-unfriendly bus stops since they came in much earlier. aren't they doing their best to modify them to cater to PIWs?
Too late. They should have started when they came out with the ruling... No doubt this was a failed endeavour by the government(it takes two hands to clap, and in the same logic the government should either be together or act before the transportation companies get WAB buses).
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
Well, reserve those complaints to yourself and try running a company yourself.wow.
sum deviation ah.
u provide public service, u tk in public criticism - u undrstd!
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
with one demonstrator from Scania/Volvo on several bus routes (at the ages ago)?i mean, the bus stops have to cater for different types of new WABs that are going to be considered for purchase. They can't possibly use the demo for every service to test.
You dun really need the actual bus to test out the bus stops you know... There are specifications and dimensions... If the bus stop doesn't fit to the dimensions specified then work needs to be done, easy as that. No need for actual bus to go around to physically test it. Talking about bus stops here.
Routing shouldn't be a problem. If there is, then even WAB buses won't ply the route.
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i can only say one thing....
the last batch of buses made wheelchair friendly was 02/12/2008.
yes we can say that they're doing this and that.. checking this and that. but... what's taking them so long?
ask any bus fan to quit school & go take the bus service to establish the WAB-friendliness of the route, i think that's faster.
but if i were at the helm of SBST, i would be smiling happily in my heart knowing the scania buses carry more people for less operating cost, earning more profit. -
Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
You dun really need the actual bus to test out the bus stops you know... There are specifications and dimensions... If the bus stop doesn't fit to the dimensions specified then work needs to be done, easy as that. No need for actual bus to go around to physically test it. Talking about bus stops here.
Routing shouldn't be a problem. If there is, then even WAB buses won't ply the route.
hmm, gotta agree with you on that, but unseen problems can't be discovered on paper.e.g. companies run a full simulation of their disaster recovery plan to make sure nothing is left out and find out problems.
oh, and another example that may bring back memories. Nobody knew the first batch of Scanias K230UBs had a low bumper problem till it hit the kerbs and stuffs while on actual routes, then modifications were made to subsequent batches.
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
Too late. They should have started when they came out with the ruling... No doubt this was a failed endeavour by the government(it takes two hands to clap, and in the same logic the government should either be together or act before the transportation companies get WAB buses).
you expect them to have finish modifying all the bus stops before they came out with the ruling? even if they started when they came out with the ruling, do think of manpower. there are so many bus stops in Singapore, manpower is needed for them to retrofit the bus stops, but at the same time, manpower is also needed for other things as well. doesn't building MRT stations and lines/infrastructure, building structures need manpower?
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
hmm, gotta agree with you on that, but unseen problems can't be discovered on paper.Unseen problems? Like?
You mean bus stops will slope, can cave in, collapse under PIW ramp, etc ah? No rite?
PIW already so disadvantaged, actually the WAB thingy was way overdue(should have been implemented long ago)...