Are drivers of wheelchair-friendly buses allowed to do this?
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as long as it is a WAB bus, it should be entitled to pick up all WAB passengers, regardless of which svc it runs.
who agrees to this?
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
as long as it is a WAB bus, it should be entitled to pick up all WAB passengers, regardless of which svc it runs.
who agrees to this?
disagreehaving the ability to pick up PIW and having the right environment to alight them is 2 different thing.
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can explain?
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
all my suggestion are vaild.......i dun wish to argue with you
Not arguing with you, also never say your suggestion is invalid. Am just saying if a PIW wants to take a service(which the bus is WAB) but service is not WAB-certified, the B/C should use his own initiative, good thinking, and logical reasoning on my points stated above whether or not to allow PIW to board. It can remain a *hush-hush* matter if fellow citizens do not behave like they have the rite to be there but PIWs dun...
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
can explain?
please go read up.Bus can allow PIW to Board/Alight
but Busstop is not suitable/rugged, den how? the PIW get stucked there? some busstop even have stairs or steep slopes.
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Originally posted by corebooster:
can read anot?
if u are a PIW who dun take public transport and have your own means of transportation, this thread will not surface in the first place.
SBS n SMRT is telling us, that PIWs who wish to use public transport but the services are not fully developed at their areas, to approach MCYS for SUBSIDIZED Cab/PIW Enabled Van ride.
If u dun need a subsidy then dun approach MCYS.
If you understand what I mean, then the "public transport" as you deem it is not really public transport as it cannot take up PIWs(are they not "public" citizens). The relevant government ministries should have certified more routes(and quicker) earlier before SBST decided to load WABs on many routes. What I am trying to say is this is the failure of the Singapore Transportation system. The government ministries are not in sync with the demands of the public and logic of the public transport operators.
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
can explain?
bus stop w/ steps at the alighting area.
even if the bus stop has no steps at the alighting area, what if it has steps BEHIND or before/after the bus stop.
try boarding a bus on wheelchair at tanah merah station (on the side with the east-bound platform) -
that i understand.
but u dont tell me u r leaving e PIW behind?
even when e boarding n alighting conditions r suitable alr?
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
as long as it is a WAB bus, it should be entitled to pick up all WAB passengers, regardless of which svc it runs.
who agrees to this?
Agree but with conditions(my opinion and suggestions on page 6).
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
If you understand what I mean, then the "public transport" as you deem it is not really public transport as it cannot take up PIWs(are they not "public" citizens). The relevant government ministries should have certified more routes(and quicker) earlier before SBST decided to load WABs on many routes. What I am trying to say is this is the failure of the Singapore Transportation system. The government ministries are not in sync with the demands of the public and logic of the public transport operators.
this is the transition period?aint the service providers upgrading the buses and routes to fit more n more? Things dun happen overnight u noe?
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
that i understand.
but u dont tell me u r leaving e PIW behind?
even when e boarding n alighting conditions r suitable alr?
u go read back.
if the conditions are suitable and the buses are available
that route will be converted already wun wait for people to complain.
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Originally posted by corebooster:
this is the transition period?aint the service providers upgrading the buses and routes to fit more n more? Things dun happen overnight u noe?
I know. But shouldn't this have been planned in advance? Where is all the "superior planning" that our ministries claim to do to prepare for such situations? Oh and btw, I was refering to the government ministries not the transport operators. The government should have adapted to the transport operators not the other way round.
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Originally posted by corebooster:
u go read back.
if the conditions are suitable and the buses are available
that route will be converted already wun wait for people to complain.
it must not neccessarily mean full fleet WAB.
as long as there's 1 such WAB n there's a PIW, it shld do wat it shld do.
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
If you understand what I mean, then the "public transport" as you deem it is not really public transport as it cannot take up PIWs(are they not "public" citizens). The relevant government ministries should have certified more routes(and quicker) earlier before SBST decided to load WABs on many routes. What I am trying to say is this is the failure of the Singapore Transportation system. The government ministries are not in sync with the demands of the public and logic of the public transport operators.
doesn't that take time? time is an important factor here. it is just how long they take to react to this matter. we can't do anything because we aren't controlling the buses/
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what i want to know.... is whether the VWOs for the handicapped has given any feedback to the LTA on which services next they would like to be wheelchair friendly.....
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Originally posted by corebooster:
u go read back.
if the conditions are suitable and the buses are available
that route will be converted already wun wait for people to complain.
Please... All and ALL routes should have been tried by the relevant ministries to be WAB-certified before commencing a WAB bus service(which should have been long ago). The only exception is particular bus stops. But don't tell me that all bus stops on a route are PIW-UNfriendly?
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that u have to ask them themselves
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
it must not neccessarily mean full fleet WAB.
as long as there's 1 such WAB n there's a PIW, it shld do wat it shld do.
even when members of the public are not taught the knowledge of using the PIW facilities of the buses and BCs not taught how to handle such cases?
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Originally posted by BusSpeeder:
doesn't that take time? time is an important factor here. it is just how long they take to react to this matter. we can't do anything because we aren't controlling the buses/
The relevant ministries had lots of time when they knew that SBST and SMRT were buying WAB buses(and that was so blardy long ago).
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
it must not neccessarily mean full fleet WAB.
as long as there's 1 such WAB n there's a PIW, it shld do wat it shld do.
WAB isn't just for PIWs only.....haiz.edit - and seriously how long do you guys wanna debate over this issue?
The fact is, WAB buses are being deployed. Why? old buses are forced to retire after the mandatory 17 years service. New buses are now equipped with PIW features. But not all routes are suitable. So these new WAB buses are temporarily serving as Super Low Floor/Easy access/Zero Step buses for other passengers.
Publicity -> Euro III/IV environmentally friendly bus, new bus, zero step bus, quiet bus. PIW feature is an additional feature that is unable to be utilised fully as of yet due to constraints.
Seriously....
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
The relevant ministries had lots of time when they knew that SBST and SMRT were buying WAB buses(and that was so blardy long ago).
After all, weren't the government the ones who came out with this rule? It is like self-jack here...
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Originally posted by BusSpeeder:
even when members of the public are not taught the knowledge of using the PIW facilities of the buses and BCs not taught how to handle such cases?
if e mgt n bcs dont even noe how to operate them, then wat's e point of getting WAB? a lot of $ ah?
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Originally posted by AEW5001:
if e mgt n bcs dont even noe how to operate them, then wat's e point of getting WAB? a lot of $ ah?
time is an important factor and is needed for them to be familiarised with the facilities.
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
WAB isn't just for PIWs only.....haiz.PIWs can board WAB only
of course any other pasenger can take e WAB mah..
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Originally posted by BusSpeeder:
time is an important factor and is needed for them to be familiarised with the facilities.
that's y..
n it's just not fast enough