Are drivers of wheelchair-friendly buses allowed to do this?
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Originally posted by SBS8033D:
I agree with you to the statements in bold.
i will rather help e that passenger n risk getting e sack.
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My opinion on this matter is that BC on WAB services, should they see a PIW wanting to board their service, and if the bus is not more than 75% full, should attempt to allow PIW to board(but should do it quick). Passengers should also help out and should not complain this and that... After all these people do need a little assistance... If everyone just give and take a little bit, then no more problem mah...
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
My opinion on this matter is that BC on WAB services, should they see a PIW wanting to board their service, and if the bus is not more than 75% full, should attempt to allow PIW to board(but should do it quick). Passengers should also help out and should not complain this and that... After all these people do need a little assistance... If everyone just give and take a little bit, then no more problem mah...
I agree. But at least the BC must request the ppl stading at the PIW lot to excuse me lol.
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Originally posted by SBS8033D:
I agree. But at least the BC must request the ppl stading at the PIW lot to excuse me lol.
That is why bus should be 75% full or less.
Oh and I forgot, the BC at point of picking up PIW should not be late by more than 2 min.
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y dis oceane tok as if bus drivers r like big fark liddat.
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Originally posted by Hello Kitty:
y dis oceane tok as if bus drivers r like big fark liddat.
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Originally posted by Hello Kitty:
y dis oceane tok as if bus drivers r like big fark liddat.
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the point is....sbst is st**id. buy bus wif 2PIW slot, who REALLY rides everytime?
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Originally posted by scaniaB7RLE:
the point is....sbst is st**id. buy bus wif 2PIW slot, who REALLY rides everytime?
So you are implying that SM**B is stu*** too?? -
Originally posted by Hello Kitty:
y dis oceane tok as if bus drivers r like big fark liddat.
den if tts e case you're talking like as if passengers big fark liddat. -
Originally posted by demag_ac:
I'm a lazy guy, who has basically scanned through the replies in this thread. This is the only reply which has hit the nail on the head.
Think about it. MOT, through LTA is paying SBST and SMRT Buses for the manual ramp. They have make it a law that from now on (actually that day a few years ago, amybe 2 or 1 year??), all public bus purcahsed must be accessible to the pysically challenged people. SBST and SMRT annouced that they would start replacing all old buses with this new type of buses progressively, until 2017.
When SBST bought in the first B9TL, what did they do? Annouce that this is a "Wheelchair Accessible Bus" in front of the media and public. This was in cooperation with LTA.
When SBST bought in the scania K230UB, they also did the same thing.
This also happened to SMRTBuses when they annouced the OC500LE at NUS (or was it NTU??).
If you are the public, what is your perception? These 200 B9TL and 500 scania K230UB are "WAB" buses, which physically challenged people are able to access.
However, SBST and SMRTB, after feedback from the public and LTA, decided that until the infrastructure (interchanges, bus stops, terminals) are made BFA (Barrier Free Access under BCA code), the services not designated as "WAB" which uses the B9TL and K230UB would not be letting PIW board.
But the public already know these buses as WAB, so when 1 comes round, which is NOT "WAB" certified, the BC / SL hands are tied.
The posts above me has already had a great debate over whether the BC should / shuld not let the PIW board. I don't want to add to it, as it is fruitless to debate it here, while the authorities have made a mistake in the publicity plans of this.
Some of you here have forgotten that public transport is a service and not some infallible institution. I think the post I'm quoting sums up adequately what went wrong - agree?
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
Some of you here have forgotten that public transport is a service and not some infallible institution. I think the post I'm quoting sums up adequately what went wrong - agree?
Its an essential screw up.As they say in chinese - the human is them, the ghost is also them.
them refers to 460 Alexandra Road on a certain floor above the 30th
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Stomp it like other Sg'reans like to...
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
You guys are bus fanatics, and thus you know the difference. Other people who do not have to ferry around a wheelchair-bound person regularly or any interest don't. Some folks are wheeled around for only a while, say after surgery or some other treatment.
Is there really enough to tell the uninitiated all this? What I witnessed says otherwise, which is why I made the suggestion about decals for such buses.
Think about it, and then consider the attitudes some of you have displayed.
I think i should read no futher in this thread
Firstly, i apologized to you on behalf of all the bus enthusiast in this forum that may irritate you.
Now i shall start the explaination and i hope that this would be clear.
Let me define the terms
WAB: Wheelchair acessible bus
PIW: Person in Wheelchair
WAB Service: Wheelchair accessible bus service
Note that a WAB bus that is not on a WAB service cannot take PIW due to these factors
- It might be inconvinence for a PIW to board the service as less than 80% of the route bus stop are Wheelchair friendly, that might cause the PIW not being able to alight on the stop desired and need to move to the next bus stop which would cause more inconvinence to the PIW himself/herself.
- In addition, it might not be a permament bus on the non WAB service and not all drivers are WAB trained to operate the ramp on the bus as well as those driving skills requried to provide maximum assistance and comfort level to the PIW that cause the PIW being either not being able to enjoy the ride or trouble for boarding or disembarking from the bus or both.
- Notwitstanding those above factors, it is also a PUblic Transport council (PTC) which is a enforcment agency undre Ministry of Transport regulation that non WAB services, no matter it has/ has not WAB buses, shall not take WAB
Also, commuters are also needed to familarize the WAB services and take in mind that SMRT does not have WAB services yet.
In addition, if the PIW seriously need to get to travel on a regular basis for point-point, he.she should approach Ministry of Community, Youth and sports for assistance to securing a solid mode of permament transport that could be either a subsidized cab ride or a PIW enabled van
I hope this will clear your doubts
Final Words: A PIW can only take a WAB bus if it is a WAB service
Regards
SBS n SMRT
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Originally posted by caleb_chiang:
Stomp it like other Sg'reans like to...
I don't believe in STOMP and what it has degenerated into, when there are less damaging ways of clarifyong the matter.
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Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:
You guys still don't get it do you?
People with disabilities are PEOPLE too, so why treat them as "second class"?
What difference does it make if a person with a disability is injured in an accident of whatever description as opposed to a person without a disability? Everybody has equal liability (at least in Australia they do).
In what way does a bus driver need to "handle" a person with a disability apart from deploying the ramp so that they can access the bus? So long as any wheelchair is parked in the appropriate areas, that's all there is to it.From what I can see, most people's arguments in this thread are narrow-minded and selfish. You need to wake up to the FACTS before making any sort of suggestion on this matter. Picture yourself in the position of a person with a disability - particularly one who requires the use of a wheelchair, even if this requirement is temporary.
Plus you people need to learn how not to offend others on sensitive matters such as this.
Regards,
Dave - Your enthusiast with a disability for all those who actually care.they're not treated as second class, their situation actually requires them to receive better treatment compared to the rest of us. its just that the BC cannot afford to give that extra care. situation now is BC has to give that extra care at the expense of himself.
if the previous posts are correct, he's not going to get praised by his company for that. he's going to actually get a scolding if his company finds out he helped a PIW.
What australia does, does not concern singapore. there are countries where disabled are even abandoned. if equal liability is truely what you want, why should there be better treatment for the disabled?
you have my sympathies if you really are a disabled but truth is there's a limit to what the society can do for the disabled in singapore.
not related but one of the posts kinda reminds me of this strip
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
I think i should read no futher in this thread
Firstly, i apologized to you on behalf of all the bus enthusiast in this forum that may irritate you.
Now i shall start the explaination and i hope that this would be clear.
Let me define the terms
WAB: Wheelchair acessible bus
PIW: Person in Wheelchair
WAB Service: Wheelchair accessible bus service
Note that a WAB bus that is not on a WAB service cannot take PIW due to these factors
- It might be inconvinence for a PIW to board the service as less than 80% of the route bus stop are Wheelchair friendly, that might cause the PIW not being able to alight on the stop desired and need to move to the next bus stop which would cause more inconvinence to the PIW himself/herself.
- In addition, it might not be a permament bus on the non WAB service and not all drivers are WAB trained to operate the ramp on the bus as well as those driving skills requried to provide maximum assistance and comfort level to the PIW that cause the PIW being either not being able to enjoy the ride or trouble for boarding or disembarking from the bus or both.
- Notwitstanding those above factors, it is also a PUblic Transport council (PTC) which is a enforcment agency undre Ministry of Transport regulation that non WAB services, no matter it has/ has not WAB buses, shall not take WAB
Also, commuters are also needed to familarize the WAB services and take in mind that SMRT does not have WAB services yet.
In addition, if the PIW seriously need to get to travel on a regular basis for point-point, he.she should approach Ministry of Community, Youth and sports for assistance to securing a solid mode of permament transport that could be either a subsidized cab ride or a PIW enabled van
I hope this will clear your doubts
Final Words: A PIW can only take a WAB bus if it is a WAB service
Regards
SBS n SMRT
I'm sorry but you too have missed the current gist of my replies - there needs to be an obvious way, such as a decal, of telling the uninitiated that the route is not wheelchair-ready yet although the WAB is plying it. Otherwise you'll continue to leave people like the rowdy kids and other passengers on the bus with a bad impression.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
I'm sorry but you too have missed the current gist of my replies - there needs to be an obvious way, such as a decal, of telling the uninitiated that the route is not wheelchair-ready yet although the WAB is plying it. Otherwise you'll continue to leave people like the rowdy kids and other passengers on the bus with a bad impression.
Yes, i agree with you, but there is a decal on the windscreen on the bus, which show a wheelchair sign
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
Yes, i agree with you, but there is a decal on the windscreen on the bus, which show a wheelchair sign
Which only serves to confuse people when the bus tours other services? -
Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
Yes, i agree with you, but there is a decal on the windscreen on the bus, which show a wheelchair sign
My junior, sometimes, in this world we need to show a little care*...
*Quote: Chia & ThiruMaran
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
I think i should read no futher in this thread
Firstly, i apologized to you on behalf of all the bus enthusiast in this forum that may irritate you.
Now i shall start the explaination and i hope that this would be clear.
Let me define the terms
WAB: Wheelchair acessible bus
PIW: Person in Wheelchair
WAB Service: Wheelchair accessible bus service
Note that a WAB bus that is not on a WAB service cannot take PIW due to these factors
- It might be inconvinence for a PIW to board the service as less than 80% of the route bus stop are Wheelchair friendly, that might cause the PIW not being able to alight on the stop desired and need to move to the next bus stop which would cause more inconvinence to the PIW himself/herself.
- In addition, it might not be a permament bus on the non WAB service and not all drivers are WAB trained to operate the ramp on the bus as well as those driving skills requried to provide maximum assistance and comfort level to the PIW that cause the PIW being either not being able to enjoy the ride or trouble for boarding or disembarking from the bus or both.
- Notwitstanding those above factors, it is also a PUblic Transport council (PTC) which is a enforcment agency undre Ministry of Transport regulation that non WAB services, no matter it has/ has not WAB buses, shall not take WAB
Also, commuters are also needed to familarize the WAB services and take in mind that SMRT does not have WAB services yet.
In addition, if the PIW seriously need to get to travel on a regular basis for point-point, he.she should approach Ministry of Community, Youth and sports for assistance to securing a solid mode of permament transport that could be either a subsidized cab ride or a PIW enabled van
I hope this will clear your doubts
Final Words: A PIW can only take a WAB bus if it is a WAB service
Regards
SBS n SMRT
What kind of nonsense this government of ours is doing...
PIW must approach government agency for this kind of thing? What crap does MCYS do? What nonsense! Must PIWs be treated in this demeaning way whereby they will need to seek help from the government over petty matters like securing public transportation? Come on, PIWs are also human...
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Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
Which only serves to confuse people when the bus tours other services?so called lah..
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
What kind of nonsense this government of ours is doing...
PIW must approach government agency for this kind of thing? What crap does MCYS do? What nonsense! Must PIWs be treated in this demeaning way whereby they will need to seek help from the government over petty matters like securing public transportation? Come on, PIWs are also human...
all my suggestion are vaild.......i dun wish to argue with you
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can read anot?
if u are a PIW who dun take public transport and have your own means of transportation, this thread will not surface in the first place.
SBS n SMRT is telling us, that PIWs who wish to use public transport but the services are not fully developed at their areas, to approach MCYS for SUBSIDIZED Cab/PIW Enabled Van ride.
If u dun need a subsidy then dun approach MCYS.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
I'm sorry but you too have missed the current gist of my replies - there needs to be an obvious way, such as a decal, of telling the uninitiated that the route is not wheelchair-ready yet although the WAB is plying it. Otherwise you'll continue to leave people like the rowdy kids and other passengers on the bus with a bad impression.
suggest what can be done then. a decal with a "no wheelchair" sign to tell them that the particular service cannot allow PIWs to board the bus? isn't more done to show that the bus the service is on accepts PIWs onboard, like putting the WAB decal in front of the windscreen for certified WAB service? if PIWs is unsure of whether a particular service's WAB buses accepts PIWs onboard, they can ask someone else at the bus stop before boarding the bus itself. another method is that if that particular bus stop has a real time information panel of the bus arrival times, if there's a WAB sign there, it signifies that the service itself is certified ready to accept WAB.
they can also check what services are certified WAB services before they go out. an example is via SBST website, which they list all of the officially certified WAB services there, this is a rather obvious way to tell the PIWs what services are catered to them. more methods can be done to tell the PIWs that a particular service is certified to accept PIWs onboard or not, but at least SBST tried to get the message across to the PIWs.