Originally posted by Simple_boi:
SBST trying put across clearly which service can be taken as WAB. As in you are able to wait a reasonable timeframe for a WAB bus to come. If all WAB buses are scattered, it would be purely luck for PIW to get a WAB bus to their destination. And certified means safety measures are already done either to bus stop or even road. And people down here only think that WAB means can let PIW board which seems to me that they are thinking out of goodwill of themselves only. Anything happens, it is purely BC fault. No one DARE to defend BC. Show compassion to BC either rather than just PIWs.
i can tell they are trying.
by putting the list of WAB services online, doesnt it tell the ppl already which svcs the wheelchair can go on and which cant.
Originally posted by Simple_boi:Ok let's say my sv62 got one perm k230 WAB. Fine. A PIW need to wait 2hrs maximum for tat k230? So is sv62 WAB service now? Interesting. Being a bus fan, there's no reason why you don't understand what's happening as to why not allowed for PIWs to board non-wab service. If all WAB buses are able to let them board, what's the big deal for WAB ceritified service? For what? Shame on you either.
I am trying to fight for the PIWs, understand?
Perhaps another solution is to have a WAB logo displayed on the svc information board in bus stops for WAB svcs. In that way,anyone can know if the svc is ceritified WAB and hopefully this will prevent any potential dispute.
Originally posted by Kuali Baba:You guys are bus fanatics, and thus you know the difference. Other people who do not have to ferry around a wheelchair-bound person regularly or any interest don't. Some folks are wheeled around for only a while, say after surgery or some other treatment.
Is there really enough to tell the uninitiated all this? What I witnessed says otherwise, which is why I made the suggestion about decals for such buses.
Think about it, and then consider the attitudes some of you have displayed.
Fine. If all BC allow for it, let all PIW defend for the BC if people from HQ were to reprimand the BC. Don't let BC be responsible for doing so.
Let them board also wrong, don't let also wrong. BCs have been rejecting WAB buses when they are depatched with these buses.
From the driver's point of view i can understand that its a risk that a PIW is being taken on board, simply because he isn't train to do so yet. The driver do not want to cause any unneccesary harm to the person who has difficulties in mobility.
Heres my point of view:
The Scania KUBs do not have safety belts like those found on SMRT OCs. Hence, the driver who is not trained would not know where to park the person in the wheelchair properly to prevent the wheelchair from moving around when the bus is in motion. I've seen before an unsecured luggage shifting and crashing around the bus on 858. I cant imagine that happen to a PIW. As such, the driver chose not to take on the disabled passenger, to prevent such accidents.
If the driver is trained to do so and he rejects such cases, then he should be given a warning/punishment.
Originally posted by tintinspartan:
I am trying to fight for the PIWs, understand?
Fine. That's no need for us to say anymore. Don't blame SBST for letting all WAB buses scattered among services. PIW should not even complain long waiting time or EVEN no WAB buses for tat service they need. Pure luck to them. They may take weeks just to get to their destination. That would be great.
Originally posted by SinkTel:Perhaps another solution is to have a WAB logo displayed on the svc information board in bus stops for WAB svcs. In that way,anyone can know if the svc is ceritified WAB and hopefully this will prevent any potential dispute.
This might help but at another point of view, there are people who still don't want to accept the fact and fight for what they think is right.
Originally posted by lifelikedrama:This might help but at another point of view, there are people who still don't want to accept the fact and fight for what they think is right.
in the end, they still lose out
accept the fact is better than wasting all their time and effort for nothing.
oh yeah one thing
having WAB svcs is a PRIVILEGE.
Originally posted by Simple_boi:
Fine. If all BC allow for it, let all PIW defend for the BC if people from HQ were to reprimand the BC. Don't let BC be responsible for doing so.Let them board also wrong, don't let also wrong. BCs have been rejecting WAB buses when they are depatched with these buses.
You've missed my point. I'm now all about making this information obvious instantly to the uninformed.
Originally posted by Simple_boi:
Fine. That's no need for us to say anymore. Don't blame SBST for letting all WAB buses scattered among services. PIW should not even complain long waiting time or EVEN no WAB buses for tat service they need. Pure luck to them. They may take weeks just to get to their destination. That would be great.
Pls! They have the RIGHT to complain. If SBS is not taking it seriously, then shame on
SBS. SBS' role is to transport people and improve service standards.
And one more thing, aren't you showing some pity to the PIWs? They need help. Again, the WABs are a welcome news to them and they anticipate change of having WABs on services that pass by their house. I dun believe that you all aren't showing pity to the PIWs.
Originally posted by lifelikedrama:This might help but at another point of view, there are people who still don't want to accept the fact and fight for what they think is right.
Exactly.. WAB certified service are seen just like a "Law" in SBST.
Originally posted by tintinspartan:
Pls! They have the RIGHT to complain. If SBS is not taking it seriously, then shame onSBS. SBS' role is to transport people and improve service standards.
And one more thing, aren't you showing some pity to the PIWs? They need help. Again, the WABs are a welcome news to them and they anticipate change of having WABs on services that pass by their house. I dun believe that you all aren't showing pity to the PIWs.
Ok. The BC allow them up the bus. Something bad happened. PIW injured. You think they will still thank you for letting them up? They will blame you for not knowing how to handle PIW properly. So what now?
Originally posted by tintinspartan:
Pls! They have the RIGHT to complain. If SBS is not taking it seriously, then shame onSBS. SBS' role is to transport people and improve service standards.
And one more thing, aren't you showing some pity to the PIWs? They need help. Again, the WABs are a welcome news to them and they anticipate change of having WABs on services that pass by their house. I dun believe that you all aren't showing pity to the PIWs.
Oh Interesting. Think of BC in return. They pity PIWs, who pity them?
Originally posted by lifelikedrama:Ok. The BC allow them up the bus. Something bad happened. PIW injured. You think they will still thank you for letting them up? They will blame you for not knowing how to handle PIW properly. So what now?
Ok, stop it. I really dun like how they respond to PIWs. I really dun care what you all wanna say about this. All i could say is that i condemn SBST.
Originally posted by tintinspartan:
Pls! They have the RIGHT to complain. If SBS is not taking it seriously, then shame onSBS. SBS' role is to transport people and improve service standards.
And one more thing, aren't you showing some pity to the PIWs? They need help. Again, the WABs are a welcome news to them and they anticipate change of having WABs on services that pass by their house. I dun believe that you all aren't showing pity to the PIWs.
they need help. but still it will take time for SBST and SMRT to add on WAB svcs right? they anticipate change, but they have to be patient. cant have everything straight away.
for some, they will really think that WAB buses are meant for those PIWs regardless of whether is a WAB accessible route/bus stop..
sbs transit should have a so-called talk to address the concerns of the PIWs..
Originally posted by tintinspartan:
Ok, stop it. I really dun like how they respond to PIWs. I really dun care what you all wanna say about this. All i could say is that i condemn SBST.
You can condemn SBST for all you like. What can you do? At least SBST is making an effort to try out WAB-certified services. How about SMRTB? On the contrary, they bought 67 OCs and another 65/66 will be coming. The buses are certified WAB. Can you tell me what are they going to do with it? Are they scared after seeing all the problems SBST is handling now?
Originally posted by tintinspartan:
Ok, stop it. I really dun like how they respond to PIWs. I really dun care what you all wanna say about this. All i could say is that i condemn SBST.
Why I am so concern about this?
My Dad being complained of not letting PIWs board. FINE.
He let them once, alight at PGL INT, green man reprimanded him like mad. Does tat PIW help him back? NO!
From then on, he won't even accept any WAB buses.
So what's the life of a BC? Suck? If everyone were to abide to the rule, it would be a win-win situation for both parties rather than only benefit PIW.
Originally posted by tintinspartan:
Ok, stop it. I really dun like how they respond to PIWs. I really dun care what you all wanna say about this. All i could say is that i condemn SBST.
for what?
did someone break ur legs?
Originally posted by Simple_boi:
Why I am so concern about this?My Dad being complained of not letting PIWs board. FINE.
He let them once, alight at PGL INT, green man reprimanded him like mad. Does tat PIW help him back? NO!
From then on, he won't even accept any WAB buses.
So what's the life of a BC? Suck? If everyone were to abide to the rule, it would be a win-win situation for both parties rather than only benefit PIW.
gotta agree that being a BC is not easy..
just think back of the incidents that happened to some of them..
my 2 cents
not trained not certified for PIW handling - risk. Safety over risk.
I mean, will you operate a complex piece of machinery without proper training?
Originally posted by tintinspartan:
I am trying to fight for the PIWs, understand?
if BCs are not trained to allow PIWs onboard the WAB buses, it, as what was said, is dangerous. would you rather risk a BC being reprimanded/sacked than allowing a PIW on board? SBST and SMRT pay BCs to do their job, which is to drive buses and cater to passenger's needs when needed but when they say this service is not officially WAB, the BCs driving the WAB buses of this service cannot pick up PIWs, simply because its dangerous if the BCs are not trained to do so. if the BC (which shouldn't be the case) messes up, who is going to clear it up? its not up to the BCs to decide to allow PIWs onboard the WAB buses but rather SBST and SMRT to decide since there are safety regulations to adhere to. if the BCs was allowed to let PIWs onboard the WAB buses, won't any BCs give a helping hand to them, to help them board and alight the bus?
and, if you are trying to fight for the PIWs, i already see more and more facilities (not buses) becoming wheelchair-friendly and even more coming up. im sure the government is already trying really hard to make more facilities cater to the wheelchair-bound population.
Originally posted by QX179R:gotta agree that being a BC is not easy..
just think back of the incidents that happened to some of them..
Many BC on Non-WAB services are PHOEBIA of WAB buses because of such incidents. And all people just think BCs are at fault. What can they do? Just swallow all this anger? BC are humans too! Not only think of PIWs, think of BCs either please. Blame company for this policy and stop shifting all blames to BCs for rejecting. Getting complains would affect their bonus etc. Who give compassion to them?
well, as the saying goes "we can't have the best of both worlds"..
Originally posted by lifelikedrama:You can condemn SBST for all you like. What can you do? At least SBST is making an effort to try out WAB-certified services. How about SMRTB? On the contrary, they bought 67 OCs and another 65/66 will be coming. The buses are certified WAB. Can you tell me what are they going to do with it? Are they scared after seeing all the problems SBST is handling now?
I'm interested in seeing how a PIW boards 851...honestly. Considering that I missed one bus just now because it was too full for anyone to squeeze in...