Are drivers of wheelchair-friendly buses allowed to do this?
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
They should make decals that state 'This route is not wheelchair accessible yet' for WABs. It's very clear that not simply hanging the sign isn't enough if passengers who have and do not have vested interest (like me) alike do not know about it.
That's a good idea.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
The reason why all these is happening (be it decision-making or ground staff) is because the disabled has no legal recourse, even if it’s a WAB service, period.
I think you're too narrow-minded....
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All I can say to everybody is, be careful what you write in your posts. You never know who reads this forum. You never know, you could be reading a message written by a person with a disability right now!
Regards,
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Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:
All I can say to everybody is, be careful what you write in your posts. You never know who reads this forum. You never know, you could be reading a message written by a person with a disability right now!
Regards,
Dave
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Originally posted by simnatic:
I do agree that the passenger should have known better, but the majority of your comments simply reflect this community and SBS Transit as one that is insensitive, discriminatory and inflexible - it is simply sad.
Discrimination? If there is, would sbst purchase more WAB buses? If they are stopping all WAB orders, that would be discrimination.Insensitive? There are lots of bus stops not PIW friendly. Take for example Woodlands Regional Int. That would be interesting to see PIWs alighting there to take escalator? If insensitive, they wouldn't even revamp bus-stops to enable PIWs to board WAB buses. (Eg. bus-stop outside Bowen Sec Sch)
Time is needed to prove that the service is WAB accessibled. Any happens to PIWs during the trip, who will be responsible? Are you going to complain to SBST for the BC? Saying about compassion, who will for the BC?
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actually tat being e case, e ppl in charge has fault
but 54 is not a WAB route. and regarding WAB buses, if tat is being e case (i.e. WAB buses must not be on non WAB routes) then we'll be seeing SBS replacing 1000 buses at 1 go instead of it being gradual. meaning to say, you'll see all e buses currently on e road to be used up to 17 - 25 years bef being replaced together for total WAB fleet
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Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:
Oceane, I am totally appauled by your attitude towards this matter.
In Australia, we have what is known as "Anti-Discrimination Policies". People with disabilities (let's not use the derrogatory term "handicapped" please - this may offend some people) have equal rights where applicable and/or practicable as people without disabilities.
In addition, the driver's actions of removing the International Disability sign from the windscreen of his bus is an act of vandalism and should be treated by the management of the bus company as such. Refusing a passenger in a wheelchair should be a sackable offense.
While I don't condone the actions of the other passengers in this instant, I am at least happy that there are some people with the right attitude towards people with disabilities in Singapore.
Regards,
Davewat do you mean by removing e signboard being a vandalism? tat route is not a designated route and it cannot be removed?
even so, you take then wat happens if e bus stop has obstacles tat impede wheelchair movement? later on complain saying tat why e bus ended up carrying him or her?
thing is, unless you want to continue taking 20 yr old buses, they'll have to bring in new buses tat has to be WAB, it takes time for routes to get WAB enabled because of external reasons i.e. bus stops
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Originally posted by Simple_boi:
Discrimination? If there is, would sbst purchase more WAB buses? If they are stopping all WAB orders, that would be discrimination.Insensitive? There are lots of bus stops not PIW friendly. Take for example Woodlands Regional Int. That would be interesting to see PIWs alighting there to take escalator? If insensitive, they wouldn't even revamp bus-stops to enable PIWs to board WAB buses. (Eg. bus-stop outside Bowen Sec Sch)
Time is needed to prove that the service is WAB accessibled. Any happens to PIWs during the trip, who will be responsible? Are you going to complain to SBST for the BC? Saying about compassion, who will for the BC?
The reality is, the purchase of wheelchair accessible buses has nothing to do with a company's stance on people with disabilities. Just because SBST/SMRT are purchasing these low-entry buses doesn't mean that they are in support of people with disabilities (particularly those who require wheelchairs) using their services.
There will always be the occasion where certain stops restrict the amount of accessibility and this even occurs in countries where discrimination of people with disabilities is illegal. This can be due to older infrastructure, the lay of the land, and other factors.The fact of the matter is, and this is something that Singaporeans need to be more supportive of, is that people with disabilities are at the end of the day still people, and derserve the same respect that everybody else deserves. They are not "different" apart from the fact that they MAY require addition assistance.
In the majority of cases, I have found that bus drivers inflict stress upon themselves. They are paid to perform certain duties, and catering for the population is one of these duties.
Regards,
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No other service better to deploy must deploy on non wab routes... Now take sv54 always zong KUB also damn sian... And those people that go and do the ramp thingy are fools.. If sv54 has no KUB's like in the past, then this wouldn't have happened.
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
I think you're too narrow-minded....
By Singapore standards. In other countries, companies think twice because there are wheelchair users who suffered the same, asked for seven-figure damages in court, and won.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
wat do you mean by removing e signboard being a vandalism? tat route is not a designated route and it cannot be removed?
even so, you take then wat happens if e bus stop has obstacles tat impede wheelchair movement? later on complain saying tat why e bus ended up carrying him or her?
thing is, unless you want to continue taking 20 yr old buses, they'll have to bring in new buses tat has to be WAB, it takes time for routes to get WAB enabled because of external reasons i.e. bus stops
Like I have said in the message I have just posted, there will be certain occasions where bus stop infrastructure impedes accessibility to varying degrees.
I would like to ask everyone to open up and see that people with disabilities are no different from people without disabilities. All passenger should have equal liability as far as insuracne, etc. is concerned.
Regards,
Dave
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Originally posted by sbst275:
wat do you mean by removing e signboard being a vandalism? tat route is not a designated route and it cannot be removed?
even so, you take then wat happens if e bus stop has obstacles tat impede wheelchair movement? later on complain saying tat why e bus ended up carrying him or her?
thing is, unless you want to continue taking 20 yr old buses, they'll have to bring in new buses tat has to be WAB, it takes time for routes to get WAB enabled because of external reasons i.e. bus stops
no... i think the first post misrepresented the driver's intention with regards to that. there was no wheelchair logo on the windscreen, if you would read posts down the thread.
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Originally posted by Stage:
No other service better to deploy must deploy on non wab routes... Now take sv54 always zong KUB also damn sian... And those people that go and do the ramp thingy are fools.. If sv54 has no KUB's like in the past, then this wouldn't have happened.
this incident could happen on any non-WAB service.
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Originally posted by sinicker:
this is a case of wheelchair-friendly bus but not wheelchair-friendly bus service.
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
this incident could happen on any non-WAB service.
But it's sad that 88 is not a WAB sv and 3 B9's are 'koped' alr.. -
Originally posted by Stage:
But it's sad that 88 is not a WAB sv and 3 B9's are 'koped' alr..
not WAB so won't need the B9's... but it might be able to turn WAB with more KUB's!
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
not WAB so won't need the B9's... but it might be able to turn WAB with more KUB's!
Hope they can do something about the TPY int stairs soon.. Sad to see 2 of the good B9's (7433P and 7493R) on 88 go.
Maybe switch berth with 157 O.o -
I just still don't get why these BCs would not want to help. Heartless fellas. I would be the woman to deploy the ramp for the PIW in that situation since it's a good deed to do. I'm not being KPO here.
Anyway, if this incidents were to happen, i would say shame on those authorities who refuse to allow PIWs on WABs either if it's on a WAB-certified services or not.
I must say that SBST should be shameful as they dun allow PIWs on board if buses don't have the WAB sticker. It's really not fair to the PIWs. These WABs are a BLESSING to them, not a TOY for SBST.
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i only have two lines
WAB bus is not denoted by model
its denoted by the WAB logo in frontgot it?
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Originally posted by tintinspartan:
I just still don't get why these BCs would not want to help. Heartless fellas. I would be the woman to deploy the ramp for the PIW in that situation since it's a good deed to do. I'm not being KPO here.
Anyway, if this incidents were to happen, i would say shame on those authorities who refuse to allow PIWs on WABs either if it's on a WAB-certified services or not.
I must say that SBST should be shameful as they dun allow PIWs on board if buses don't have the WAB sticker. It's really not fair to the PIWs. These WABs are a BLESSING to them, not a TOY for SBST.
Ok let's say my sv62 got one perm k230 WAB. Fine. A PIW need to wait 2hrs maximum for tat k230? So is sv62 WAB service now? Interesting. Being a bus fan, there's no reason why you don't understand what's happening as to why not allowed for PIWs to board non-wab service. If all WAB buses are able to let them board, what's the big deal for WAB ceritified service? For what? Shame on you either.
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Originally posted by Simple_boi:
Ok let's say my sv62 got one perm k230 WAB. Fine. A PIW need to wait 2hrs maximum for tat k230? So is sv62 WAB service now? Interesting. Being a bus fan, there's no reason why you don't understand what's happening as to why not allowed for PIWs to board non-wab service. If all WAB buses are able to let them board, what's the big deal for WAB ceritified service? For what? Shame on you either.
if the PIW still wants to stubbornly go and wait, i feel that we should let him, then get rejected by the BC, go online KPKB, get "shoot" back by SBST, learn the hard way. There's really no other way of teaching some people. -
Originally posted by jayh272416:
i only have two lines
WAB bus is not denoted by model
its denoted by the WAB logo in frontgot it?
Sometimes not the case... I've seen 147 with no logo and non-WAB with logo...
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
if the PIW still wants to stubbornly go and wait, i feel that we should let him, then get rejected by the BC, go online KPKB, get "shoot" back by SBST, learn the hard way. There's really no other way of teaching some people.
SBST trying put across clearly which service can be taken as WAB. As in you are able to wait a reasonable timeframe for a WAB bus to come. If all WAB buses are scattered, it would be purely luck for PIW to get a WAB bus to their destination. And certified means safety measures are already done either to bus stop or even road. And people down here only think that WAB means can let PIW board which seems to me that they are thinking out of goodwill of themselves only. Anything happens, it is purely BC fault. No one DARE to defend BC. Show compassion to BC either rather than just PIWs. -
Originally posted by tintinspartan:
I just still don't get why these BCs would not want to help. Heartless fellas. I would be the woman to deploy the ramp for the PIW in that situation since it's a good deed to do. I'm not being KPO here.
Anyway, if this incidents were to happen, i would say shame on those authorities who refuse to allow PIWs on WABs either if it's on a WAB-certified services or not.
I must say that SBST should be shameful as they dun allow PIWs on board if buses don't have the WAB sticker. It's really not fair to the PIWs. These WABs are a BLESSING to them, not a TOY for SBST.
Let me just ask you 1 simple question here. We all know that the BC is most likely not training to handle PIW. Don't forget that handling PIW don't only meet knowing how to operate the ram. The question is:
If the PIW somehow gets injured in the bus, who will be responsible? You?
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You guys are bus fanatics, and thus you know the difference. Other people who do not have to ferry around a wheelchair-bound person regularly or any interest don't. Some folks are wheeled around for only a while, say after surgery or some other treatment.
Is there really enough to tell the uninitiated all this? What I witnessed says otherwise, which is why I made the suggestion about decals for such buses.
Think about it, and then consider the attitudes some of you have displayed.