SMRT New Euro-V Mercedes-Benz OC500LE WAB bus (Part 1)
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Originally posted by sv966:
I don't get it when people keep saying that this body is a Gemilang copy xxx or a Gemilang copy yyy. "Copy" is a very sensitive word to use and can involve huge lawsuits and lots of money if a company is really found to be infringing on another's copyright designs.
While the SBST K230, MAN 18.240 and this O500LE from SMRT are all bodied by Gemilang, each one of them sport a front design that has been customised in consultation with their respective chassis makers. As a self-respecting company in its own right, Scania, MAN and Mercedes Benz would all want to promote their products, and what better way than to have the local bodywork of the buses designed in accordance to what they have elsewhere. This is part of their brand-building so as to achieve a consistent image in their vehicles sold.
So we see a Gemilang with an Omnicity design requested by Scania for the K230s, one with a Lion City design specified by MAN for the 18.240, and a Citaro-lookalike specified by Mercedes Benz for the O500LE.
"Copy" is just soooo... the wrong word to use in this instance.
in regards to this matter, it is best then to refer to the bodywork as gemilang Lion's City, gemilang Omnicity or gemilang Citaro so as to reflect the status of the bodywork styles.
by using the above nomeculture, u will reflect that the bus design itself will refer to a particular model of bus. DO NOT add the word copy when saying the above names.
so from now on when we say gemialng Lion;s City, there is NO NEED to continue on by saying it is a MAN bus. in the same way when u say Lion;s City, u will know the bus is a MAN and not other bus models.
=).
Still i am not too happy with the use of gemilang Omnicity in Auastralia for a certain batch of China buses. the bodywork was exclusive for Scania buses...and should be exclusive for the Scania range of products.
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Hi guys,
More information on the engine: it is a Mercedes-Benz model OM 457 hLA Euro 5/EEV 11.967-litre, inline 6-cylinder turbocharged, intercooled engine with SCR exhaust aftertreatment. Power is 220kW (299 PS) @ 2000rpm and torque is 1250Nm (922 lb-ft) @ 1100rpm which is significantly greater than the Scania K230UB. Gearbox can be either a ZF 6HP 592C or Voith D864.3E, whichever the operator has specified. The axles are Mercedes-Benz products, as opposed to ZF axles used on the CItaros in Europe. The rear axle is a low-noise single-ratio hypoid axle as opposed to a traditional spiral bevel hub reduction axle.Regards,
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Originally posted by PoweredByCNG:
Hi guys,
More information on the engine: it is a Mercedes-Benz model OM 457 hLA Euro 5/EEV 11.967-litre, inline 6-cylinder turbocharged, intercooled engine with SCR exhaust aftertreatment. Power is 220kW (299 PS) @ 2000rpm and torque is 1250Nm (922 lb-ft) @ 1100rpm which is significantly greater than the Scania K230UB. Gearbox can be either a ZF 6HP 592C or Voith D864.3E, whichever the operator has specified. The axles are Mercedes-Benz products, as opposed to ZF axles used on the CItaros in Europe. The rear axle is a low-noise single-ratio hypoid axle as opposed to a traditional spiral bevel hub reduction axle.Regards,
Daveso how is the horsepower of the bus?
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I posted the horsepower rating in my above message - 220kW (299 PS) @ 2000rpm.
Regards,
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Originally posted by PoweredByCNG:
I posted the horsepower rating in my above message - 220kW (299 PS) @ 2000rpm.
Regards,
Daveok. thx!
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Originally posted by PoweredByCNG:
Hi guys,
More information on the engine: it is a Mercedes-Benz model OM 457 hLA Euro 5/EEV 11.967-litre, inline 6-cylinder turbocharged, intercooled engine with SCR exhaust aftertreatment. Power is 220kW (299 PS) @ 2000rpm and torque is 1250Nm (922 lb-ft) @ 1100rpm which is significantly greater than the Scania K230UB. Gearbox can be either a ZF 6HP 592C or Voith D864.3E, whichever the operator has specified. The axles are Mercedes-Benz products, as opposed to ZF axles used on the CItaros in Europe. The rear axle is a low-noise single-ratio hypoid axle as opposed to a traditional spiral bevel hub reduction axle.Regards,
DaveHmm ZF 6HP 592C. Is it possible that this new O500LE comes with the newer ZF Ecolite gearbox?
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Originally posted by SBS9888Y:
i think bc dun even bother to use them. imagine the bc hearing them on 67 for the whole day. 6 days a week.
imagine next time. for 975. "Next Bus Stop opposite lamppost 160".
about 10 seconds later. "Next Bus Stop after Track 11".
about another 10 seconds later. "Next Bus Stop opposite lampost 173".
then we will have Going to Johor Bahru announcements for Service 178 UDs too.
Buses in the states like NYC ve their BCs announcing the bus stop when they arrive at the stop, however, if u r nt used to American accent, it will be pretty tough...HK KMB buses have bus stops announcement for most of their buses. It's programmed to start in this sequence, Cantonese, English, Mandarin
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Originally posted by Oceane:
I think it mostly is, 66 by this year, the remaining next year.
67 could be due to a demonstrator?
Somehow you're quite right,Source say that a demo(Diff body) are inside WLDEP!Also mention by my ex-depot personnel WAB bendies will be considered if public feedback more often
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ooo I saw the new bus at NUS UCC yesterday when they did the launch!
looks like the new Scania K230UB.
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Originally posted by chillycraps:
ooo I saw the new bus at NUS UCC yesterday when they did the launch!
looks like the new Scania K230UB.
guess buses will always look like that frm now onwards.. zero-step entry.. high seats at the rear.
cant wait for all new buses, scania, B7R, MAN & this one to ALL be out on the roads... can spend a day joyriding in all of it..
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Originally posted by TIB1018B:
SMRT just launched a "SMRT is Green" event today.
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Originally posted by TIB1018B:
SMRT just launched a "SMRT is Green" event today.
The design of this bus not bad and thank goodness SMRT still go for Mercedes, it will be disasters if they go for some CHINA brand bus. Erm.... too bad no more Pinifarinna design bus any more.
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Originally posted by PoweredByCNG:
Hi guys,
More information on the engine: it is a Mercedes-Benz model OM 457 hLA Euro 5/EEV 11.967-litre, inline 6-cylinder turbocharged, intercooled engine with SCR exhaust aftertreatment. Power is 220kW (299 PS) @ 2000rpm and torque is 1250Nm (922 lb-ft) @ 1100rpm which is significantly greater than the Scania K230UB. Gearbox can be either a ZF 6HP 592C or Voith D864.3E, whichever the operator has specified. The axles are Mercedes-Benz products, as opposed to ZF axles used on the CItaros in Europe. The rear axle is a low-noise single-ratio hypoid axle as opposed to a traditional spiral bevel hub reduction axle.Regards,
Dave
OC500LE 1830h? -
Originally posted by ^tamago^:
OC500LE 1830h?
Correct!
Regards,Dave
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Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:
Hmm ZF 6HP 592C. Is it possible that this new O500LE comes with the newer ZF Ecolite gearbox?
No, the ZF Ecolife has not been homogolated with the Mercedes-Benz OM 457 hLA / M 447 hLAG engines. At this stage there doesn't seem to be a timeframe for homogolation of the ZF Ecolife (or even ZF Ecomat 4) or the Voith DIWA.5 with the Mercedes-Benz engines unfortunately, so Ecomat 2 will have to do for now.
Regards,
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Buses in the states like NYC ve their BCs announcing the bus stop when they arrive at the stop, however, if u r nt used to American accent, it will be pretty tough...HK KMB buses have bus stops announcement for most of their buses. It's programmed to start in this sequence, Cantonese, English, Mandarin
I don't mind an American accent but if SMRT is dying for annoucements on buses, please use annoucements on only morning peak hours. Let us enjoy peaceful rides during off peak. -
Originally posted by SBS2695H:
I don't mind an American accent but if SMRT is dying for annoucements on buses, please use annoucements on only morning peak hours. Let us enjoy peaceful rides during off peak.It is pointless for a company to install an announcement system and use it only for 2.5 hours each day. I'm pretty sure the announcements will be made appropriately. You need to spare a thought for passengers who are visually impaired too. I find your thought a little selfish.
Your "us" for now do not include me.
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Originally posted by off_service:
It is pointless for a company to install an announcement system and use it only for 2.5 hours each day. I'm pretty sure the announcements will be made appropriately. You need to spare a thought for passengers who are visually impaired too. I find your thought a little selfish.
Your "us" for now do not include me.
Are you trying to say that the visually impaired cannot take the bus if the annoucement system breaks down one day? Then how do our visually impared passengers take the bus now without annoucements? We're all used to not having any annoucements on buses. I believe the visually impared passengers who take the bus will be familiar with the route or have a service guide with them. On a side note, I think the annoucement system came with the bus itself. -
Originally posted by SBS2695H:
On a side note, I think the annoucement system came with the bus itself.
yes. the female announcer is tied to the chassis with a microphone. i heard she earns $8/hour. -
Originally posted by SBS2695H:
Are you trying to say that the visually impaired cannot take the bus if the annoucement system breaks down one day? Then how do our visually impared passengers take the bus now without annoucements? We're all used to not having any annoucements on buses. I believe the visually impared passengers who take the bus will be familiar with the route or have a service guide with them. On a side note, I think the annoucement system came with the bus itself.What SMRT is trying to do is to improve their service for the visually impaired as well as those who are not familiar with the route. What you are trying to say is that since we are not used to having announcements, we shouldn't have. It's a very selfish thought. It could reap intangible benefits for SMRT, like safer rides as they do not need to keep enquiring the driver the current location.
"I believe the visually impared passengers who take the bus will be familiar with the route or have a service guide with them." -- Please make sure what you are typing. I believe you have made a SERIOUS typo.
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Originally posted by PoweredByCNG:
Hi guys,
More information on the engine: it is a Mercedes-Benz model OM 457 hLA Euro 5/EEV 11.967-litre, inline 6-cylinder turbocharged, intercooled engine with SCR exhaust aftertreatment. Power is 220kW (299 PS) @ 2000rpm and torque is 1250Nm (922 lb-ft) @ 1100rpm which is significantly greater than the Scania K230UB. Gearbox can be either a ZF 6HP 592C or Voith D864.3E, whichever the operator has specified. The axles are Mercedes-Benz products, as opposed to ZF axles used on the CItaros in Europe. The rear axle is a low-noise single-ratio hypoid axle as opposed to a traditional spiral bevel hub reduction axle.Regards,
Daveer if its ZF6HP592C then its a euro III bus innit? should that be a ZF6HP594C instead???
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Originally posted by off_service:
What SMRT is trying to do is to improve their service for the visually impaired as well as those who are not familiar with the route. What you are trying to say is that since we are not used to having announcements, we shouldn't have. It's a very selfish thought. It could reap intangible benefits for SMRT, like safer rides as they do not need to keep enquiring the driver the current location.
"I believe the visually impared passengers who take the bus will be familiar with the route or have a service guide with them." -- Please make sure what you are typing. I believe you have made a SERIOUS typo.
Yes. I have made a serious typo. Was thinking about service guides when typing.I wanted to say that the visually impared passengers who take the bus will be familiar with the route or have checked out the roads the service runs on.
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Originally posted by SBS2695H:
I believe the visually impared passengers who take the bus will be familiar with the route or have a service guide with them.
I didnt know the visually impaired passengers hold service guides in 1 hand and a walking stick in the other. Please take a picture for me when u see one. -
Originally posted by SBS2695H:
Yes. I have made a serious typo. Was thinking about service guides when typing.I wanted to say that the visually impared passengers who take the bus will be familiar with the route or have checked out the roads the service runs on.
For goodness sake, even if they are damn familiar with the route, is it wrong if we can enhance the services for them? Does it kill to be gracious?
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Originally posted by SBS2695H:
Are you trying to say that the visually impaired cannot take the bus if the annoucement system breaks down one day? Then how do our visually impared passengers take the bus now without annoucements? We're all used to not having any annoucements on buses. I believe the visually impared passengers who take the bus will be familiar with the route or have a service guide with them. On a side note, I think the annoucement system came with the bus itself.as a bus service provider, u provide bus service to anybody that includes the blind. a audio PIS is necessary these days.
PIS = passenger info system.
also the audio PIS is useful to those who do not know the route.
and FYi i AM visiually impaired.ok true the visually impaired will be able to sort of feel where he is at certain points of the route. of course the sense of inertia and momentum can tell him when the bus turn left and right so he cna track the route. still ahving the audio annoucnement will greatly help him/her adjust to the route n know where he/she is
also the sens of smell and sound will also be able to catch certain key locations. for example passing by chaintwon mrt one cna hear loads of people baording the bus and alighting. this can tell him/her is one of those main-sih bus stops. f course with audio announcmenet cna confirm lor.ZYX