Plz do not support PAP:They give best jobs to foreigners
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Clash of the titans!!!
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Originally posted by azhai:
Do you think Singapore is developing country or developed country ?! You said our govt is adverising Singapore as a cheap hub...are you out of your mind ? Do you think this is still the right thing to do ?
You are not well informed about how things work in this world at all. The world is not just run by companies. The time that comanies can decide everything is over since than 15-20 years ago. No govt in the world today, including USA, allows companies a free hand anymore. No one trust NMCs anymore basically.
We all now know that NMCs are basically irresponsible by nature. For example they will relese any wastes to the rivers if no one controls them. For example Apple will move their factory anyway they like irregardless of whether it is best for USA citizens. As far as NMCs are concerned, since globalization started, there is no patriotism to talk about.
So since 20 years ago, governments all over the world have been keeping a watchful eyes over NMCs. Governments all over the world has implemented policies to protect its citizens. Singapore govt is slow in realizing this fact or may be simply choose to ignore it. As for Singaporeans because we are an authoritarian state thus a lot of information has been suppressed by SPH and Media Corp. and so we are not well informed at all.
I hope Singaporeans can quickly realize the predicament we are in and pressurize the govt to do the right things for Singaporeans. There are a lot of ways the govt can twist the arms of NMCs and make them take care of locals.
Do you think this is still the right thing to do ? --> No that is exactly my point. Many companies choose to be here only for cost reasons,nothing more. Now that is taken by China and others and they are moving. Unlike China who managed to acquire th technology for self,Singapore failed.
Sir, MNCs are irresponsible,I have been in many meetings where the discussions were how to find loopholes in govt rules,thats how it is done. That is known but no one can control them anymore since by the time an impact is suggested and a rule inacted(by those not lobbied),it"s too late. Since you mentioned apple, have you seen what is written on it? Something like designed in California, Assembled in China.
Let me make the picture easier to understand, it an iPhone cost 100$, the Chinese get about 5$,Japanese about 15$(Display) and Americans about 80$. Why do these guys who do no physical labour get so much profit?There you have it,IP protection laws.Labour is cheap,IP not. Thats where the West survives. And why they failed in China, Chinese guys were even wiser, they learned the game,copied the stuff and then inacted 'their own IP rules'.That's how these games are played. Today Chinese have made Xiaomi which rivals Apple in many ways and is growing fast,not to mention others.Singapore unfortunately lost in this game not only in this but in all sectors.
Even the American govt today cannot twist the arm of any MNC,otherwise they would have brought all the manufacturing jobs to US. Have you sir, heard of lobbying?Simply put it is where the interests of MNCs are passed into rules via senators who draft them.
Don't get me wrong,Singapore did what they could very well till about 5 years ago. Then they weren't able to capitalize on it to grow national competence.
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Originally posted by azhai:
Do you think Singapore is developing country or developed country ?! You said our govt is adverising Singapore as a cheap hub...are you out of your mind ? Do you think this is still the right thing to do ?
You are not well informed about how things work in this world at all. The world is not just run by companies. The time that comanies can decide everything is over since than 15-20 years ago. No govt in the world today, including USA, allows companies a free hand anymore. No one trust NMCs anymore basically.
We all now know that NMCs are basically irresponsible by nature. For example they will relese any wastes to the rivers if no one controls them. For example Apple will move their factory anyway they like irregardless of whether it is best for USA citizens. As far as NMCs are concerned, since globalization started, there is no patriotism to talk about.
So since 20 years ago, governments all over the world have been keeping a watchful eyes over NMCs. Governments all over the world has implemented policies to protect its citizens. Singapore govt is slow in realizing this fact or may be simply choose to ignore it. As for Singaporeans because we are an authoritarian state thus a lot of information has been suppressed by SPH and Media Corp. and so we are not well informed at all.
I hope Singaporeans can quickly realize the predicament we are in and pressurize the govt to do the right things for Singaporeans. There are a lot of ways the govt can twist the arms of NMCs and make them take care of locals.
do you know how many MNC [sorry cutie not NMC] we have in our country? An awesome load of them, especially in the areospace sector. do you want to displace my job?? No sh-t, i rather have foriegners in than to lose my job. it's not as if fresh grad are not finding jobs.
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Unless there is a change of govt.this ruling party will go on and sell us to the foreigners!picture these scenarios.no FTs means condos all empty.orchard rd becomes quiet.shopping centres all empty.mrt nobody taking.business ctrs nobody working.expressways not many cars.the all of Spore will grind to a halt.amenities and utilities no one manning.it,s quite scary.Spore will become a ghost town.that.s why the powers to be has to let it go on!
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Originally posted by azhai:
Please understand what is EU before you write the above. You are confused ! Please don't bring your confusion to others.
Firstly, Singapore is not in a union. We can't go and work in the EU like those countries in the it. Also no Singaporeans want to go work in India. So why PMET with India ?
Secondly, we Singaporeans are not complaining about low pay jobs like waiter, nurse etc taken up by foreigners. Did you read our posts at all before you reply ?!
Understand why EU was formed in the first place. Didn't the UK and Denmark governments, or other countries knew the impact of EU before they joined?
Cab drivers in Singapore are all Singaporeans, is this a high salary job? no! but the cab companies are singaporean, and singaporeans are the best in this job. In other countries, europe and canada, the cab drivers are all foreigners, had to depend on GPS to find the destinations. Its the owners of the companies who do the employing, and they decide, in their own way, ethical or not.
MNC are evils, may be necessary evils. During the 2008 subprime loan crisis, many big MNC had to close, their CEO had to explain why they were paid such high salaries...but in the end, the US government said, they are too big to be closed, many jobs at stack. So the government bailed them over with taxpayers money, the CEO continue to get big fat pay.
I don't think we have any differences in the way MNC works, the difference is what do you want to do about it. blame the government, ask them to twist the arm of the MNC?
why don't you twist the arms of the MNC? may be you expose those companies who are anti singaporean and call on everybody to boycott their products.
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I thought they say taxi drivers can make 7k a month.
Not true meh?
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Yes, it is all facts that there are foreigners working in almost every country.
It is all in the media that in the recent years UK are aware of the increasing number of foreigners working in their country. More to this they are concern and acknowkedge the reality that the influx of foreigners working there are affecting the livelihood of their very own citizens. Besides, UK people are voicing out this concern. Being a responsible govt they are going to or already started to do something about it to protect their citizens.
Going globalized is inevitable. Intentionally bringing in influx of foreigners to work in jobs that locals can do does not protect own citizens' livelihood is irresponsible and ruthless. It is not something to be proud of for intentionally "killing" the livelihood of its own citizens.
Those who are in support of leechgime working against the livelihood of its citizens are evil. Evil leechgime will have its retribution when the time is up.
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Originally posted by Summer hill:
do you know how many MNC [sorry cutie not NMC] we have in our country? An awesome load of them, especially in the areospace sector. do you want to displace my job?? No sh-t, i rather have foriegners in than to lose my job. it's not as if fresh grad are not finding jobs.
Yes, sg used to have more MNCs in the past. PAP has made it expensive to operate here hence in recent years some have moved out.
My advice to you, if you have a chance to work in MNC , go for it.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Understand why EU was formed in the first place. Didn't the UK and Denmark governments, or other countries knew the impact of EU before they joined?
Cab drivers in Singapore are all Singaporeans, is this a high salary job? no! but the cab companies are singaporean, and singaporeans are the best in this job. In other countries, europe and canada, the cab drivers are all foreigners, had to depend on GPS to find the destinations. Its the owners of the companies who do the employing, and they decide, in their own way, ethical or not.
MNC are evils, may be necessary evils. During the 2008 subprime loan crisis, many big MNC had to close, their CEO had to explain why they were paid such high salaries...but in the end, the US government said, they are too big to be closed, many jobs at stack. So the government bailed them over with taxpayers money, the CEO continue to get big fat pay.
I don't think we have any differences in the way MNC works, the difference is what do you want to do about it. blame the government, ask them to twist the arm of the MNC?
why don't you twist the arms of the MNC? may be you expose those companies who are anti singaporean and call on everybody to boycott their products.
Globalization is only good for poor countries and MNCs. Poor countries get jobs MNCs get cheap labours. Please do not be fooled by PAP time and again.
Those businessmen in EU would of course excited about the formation of EU. The politicians of France and Germany probably excited about the power they will be getting after becoming the leaders of EU as it is so large. The rests are simply fooled into joining. But at lease the people in EU be it Danish, Spanish, English, French etc get to move freely across EU.
What we Singaporeans get after signing PMET with India ? More indian nationals working in Singapore grabing all the high paid posts is what we want ? Going to work in India is what we want ? LOL
You seems to imply we Singaporeans have the responsibility to inform our govt of bad practices. This is so wrong ! Our govt command all the resources and power. They can easily hire people to check on MNCs. They can't escape the blame of condoning bad MNCs.
Anyway I know that MOM is not a trust worthy organization. Most of the rules they established to block foreigners is for show to Singaporeans only. They have betray us ! The rules are not being enforced at all.
We Singaporeans can have prosperity and high growth if PAP govt stop its Anti-China policy. At the moment we stick to a very slow boat called USA. If PAP can wake up their minds and let us tag to China high growth engine we will definitely and automatically enjoy high growth. Countries like Germany, South Korean, France, UK are doing just that. We should simply do the same.
On the other hand there is no point sticking ourselves with India. India is not going to grow no matter how you look at it ! They can't even resove their caste system. Is India even a country after they were put together by the British ?! Their corruption is like the worst in the world. How about stop tourists being raped ?!
I say we will be better off staying far away from the Indian before their 1.2b-1.3b and fast growing population swallow us up. Have India started family planning program for their people ? I guess not. They are but a hopeless country !
With the high growth we get from China our govt will be able to pick and choose MNCs. We can then ask those who needs cheap workers to get the freak off our land and those who prefer Indian Nationals can move to India for all we care.
* Please note that Indians here referring to Indian Nationals not Singapore Indians so don't jump.
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Originally posted by Bio-Hawk:
Do you think this is still the right thing to do ? --> No that is exactly my point. Many companies choose to be here only for cost reasons,nothing more. Now that is taken by China and others and they are moving. Unlike China who managed to acquire th technology for self,Singapore failed.
Sir, MNCs are irresponsible,I have been in many meetings where the discussions were how to find loopholes in govt rules,thats how it is done. That is known but no one can control them anymore since by the time an impact is suggested and a rule inacted(by those not lobbied),it"s too late. Since you mentioned apple, have you seen what is written on it? Something like designed in California, Assembled in China.
Let me make the picture easier to understand, it an iPhone cost 100$, the Chinese get about 5$,Japanese about 15$(Display) and Americans about 80$. Why do these guys who do no physical labour get so much profit?There you have it,IP protection laws.Labour is cheap,IP not. Thats where the West survives. And why they failed in China, Chinese guys were even wiser, they learned the game,copied the stuff and then inacted 'their own IP rules'.That's how these games are played. Today Chinese have made Xiaomi which rivals Apple in many ways and is growing fast,not to mention others.Singapore unfortunately lost in this game not only in this but in all sectors.
Even the American govt today cannot twist the arm of any MNC,otherwise they would have brought all the manufacturing jobs to US. Have you sir, heard of lobbying?Simply put it is where the interests of MNCs are passed into rules via senators who draft them.
Don't get me wrong,Singapore did what they could very well till about 5 years ago. Then they weren't able to capitalize on it to grow national competence.
We can't twist MNCs arms ? Not true! Apple is moving part of the assembly operation back to America after pressure from Obama. Google and Microsoft open back door for NSA to steal information. You know Snowden ?! He is still alive in Russia. Even Singapore govt was able to force OUB to close down eventhough they were doing very well.
PAP govt can stop those financial institutions from continuing to laundary rich Indonesians money in Singapore if necessary. But I guess they won't do this for Singaporeans.
As I explained in the other post Singapore has not been doing well for the last 10 to 15 years simply because of PAP anti-china policy. If you stick to USA and India then you will die with them of course. These two countries are not growing how can you grow ?!
We have to pick the right partner. We have to work with winner not loser ! PAP's wrong choice has make us suffer today.
Look at Austrialia ! Before China's open door policy no one heard about Australia much. Today they are booming and reccession is unheard of for more than 10 years because they export materials to China.
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Originally posted by Summer hill:
do you know how many MNC [sorry cutie not NMC] we have in our country? An awesome load of them, especially in the areospace sector. do you want to displace my job?? No sh-t, i rather have foriegners in than to lose my job. it's not as if fresh grad are not finding jobs.
Don't be so selfish !
Do something for Singaporeans' good.
Have some self respect don't Kow Tow to foreigners.
No one asks your boss to leave if he is willing to be responsible to Singaporeans.
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Originally posted by azhai:
Globalization is only good for poor countries and MNCs. Poor countries get jobs MNCs get cheap labours. Please do not be fooled by PAP time and again.
Those businessmen in EU would of course excited about the formation of EU. The politicians of France and Germany probably excited about the power they will be getting after becoming the leaders of EU as it is so large. The rests are simply fooled into joining. But at lease the people in EU be it Danish, Spanish, English, French etc get to move freely across EU.
What we Singaporeans get after signing PMET with India ? More indian nationals working in Singapore grabing all the high paid posts is what we want ? Going to work in India is what we want ? LOL
You seems to imply we Singaporeans have the responsibility to inform our govt of bad practices. This is so wrong ! Our govt command all the resources and power. They can easily hire people to check on MNCs. They can't escape the blame of condoning bad MNCs.
Anyway I know that MOM is not a trust worthy organization. Most of the rules they established to block foreigners is for show to Singaporeans only. They have betray us ! The rules are not being enforced at all.
We Singaporeans can have prosperity and high growth if PAP govt stop its Anti-China policy. At the moment we stick to a very slow boat called USA. If PAP can wake up their minds and let us tag to China high growth engine we will definitely and automatically enjoy high growth. Countries like Germany, South Korean, France, UK are doing just that. We should simply do the same.
On the other hand there is no point sticking ourselves with India. India is not going to grow no matter how you look at it ! They can't even resove their caste system. Is India even a country after they were put together by the British ?! Their corruption is like the worst in the world. How about stop tourists being raped ?!
I say we will be better off staying far away from the Indian before their 1.2b-1.3b and fast growing population swallow us up. Have India started family planning program for their people ? I guess not. They are but a hopeless country !
With the high growth we get from China our govt will be able to pick and choose MNCs. We can then ask those who needs cheap workers to get the freak off our land and those who prefer Indian Nationals can move to India for all we care.
* Please note that Indians here referring to Indian Nationals not Singapore Indians so don't jump.
"Globalization is only good for poor countries and MNCs"
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Originally posted by azhai:
Don't be so selfish !
Do something for Singaporeans' good.
Have some self respect don't Kow Tow to foreigners.
No one asks your boss to leave if he is willing to be responsible to Singaporeans.
Selfish? You're calling me selfish? You're one bloody self-entitled asshole.
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS THE SELFISH PERSON HERE. YOU ARE WILLING TO MAKE ME JOBLESS BECAUSE OF YOUR POLITICAL INTEREST.
What about my interest? My economical interest? Are you going to provide for me if the aerospace sector in Seletar close down?
Well, my boss is from Germany [YES, Germany!], he does not come from Singapore. It's not a Singapore start-up, why should he feel responsible for Singaporeans? Am I such a super-talent that he will be willing to fly me to Germany to work as a foriegn talent there? Oh, I think I should not work in Germany because the German government must put their citizens there eh?
I hope I've talk some sense here.
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Bio-hawk, TS makes no sense. Let's him alone to hallucinate his political dreams. This thread is too partisan. An epic fail propaganda attempt.
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Summerhill, you will have the feel of what worklife is and how policies from govt are affecting work , employment when you grow up and step into the working world.
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Originally posted by SJS6638:
Summerhill, you will have the feel of what worklife is and how policies from govt are affecting work , employment when you grow up and step into the working world.
I don't know yet, but I think that I would like to go to the areospace sector. It is a really small sector, but I'll see how I can play the game to my advantage. But if the game isn't there, there's nothing for me to even start with.
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Originally posted by Summer hill:
"Globalization is only good for poor countries and MNCs"
Hehe !
If your boss want to set up company in Singapore then he ought to be able to contribute to Singaporeans welfare. If not why should we let him ?!
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Originally posted by azhai:
Hehe !
If your boss want to set up company in Singapore then he ought to be able to contribute to Singaporeans welfare. If not why should we let him ?!
What my boss decides to move back to Germany? We ain't a land full of rocket-scientist. What is something so special about Singapore?
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Originally posted by azhai:
Hehe !
If your boss want to set up company in Singapore then he ought to be able to contribute to Singaporeans welfare. If not why should we let him ?!
And I agree, from what you've written, you are one bloody selfish jerk.
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Oh, and are you from China? You wrote a lot of things about China national interest.
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Originally posted by Summer hill:
And I agree, from what you've written, you are one bloody selfish jerk.
Stop running scared and spread unfounded fear like what PAP has done to Singaporeans.
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Originally posted by azhai:
Stop running scared and spread unfounded fear like what PAP has done to Singaporeans.
Unfounded fear? I based my decisions on knowledge.
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Originally posted by Summer hill:
Unfounded fear? I based my decisions on knowledge.
Why you take adverisement as truth ?!
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Why should I take you as the truth?
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Originally posted by azhai:
Hehe !
If your boss want to set up company in Singapore then he ought to be able to contribute to Singaporeans welfare. If not why should we let him ?!
Sir,
I understand your optimism and passion. Unfortunately though it seems it not inline with world realities.Everything you mentioned would have been perfect in an ideal world,which ours is not. Signing PMET with India wasn't a good move for Singapore,for PAP,MNCs,yes. If all the German industries pulled out of SG many Singaporeans will be jobless. Perhaps it would be interesting for you to know how many Singaporean companies are working,atleast known in EU. I have seen tiger balm,nothing else.
MNC"s fund political campaigns usually as shawdows,when the candidate wins they get favours back. It's how politics wok in most countries. Most companies have internal departments doing analysis,tasked with influencing govt policies,accounts in caymann to transfer money as bribes etc.
Australian economy is in a bad shape especially due to their currency appreciation and carbon tax. They too have a skilled migrant program which took many from SEA. No one heard of Iraq as well before the American wars,publicity doesn't mean a thing.
Singapore can side with any one they choose. There are many things happening in different levels which are not so obvious to many. If SG sided with Chinese it would be seen as going against the Americans(due to Chinese-American not-so subtle hostilities) which can't be risked for the country.India is non-aligned and with India they do a lot of military exchanges(overt and covert) which is not possible with Chinese. Indian employees are usually docile and well behaving.Moving out of Asia,strong attachment with USA brings no real benefits, they won't provide employment or military help.And as like Japan most likely would establish a base in SG as well.Is it what you want?
So every action,policy and agreement has a reason behind it which is well thought of. We can give the credit to policy makers for having thought of that well.When I was younger I had not-so amicable feelings to other countries. When you are older and wiser it seems, everyone is equally good and equally bad,just serving their own interest in personal,social and national levels.Good day!