Racial Disharmony May Brought by PAP Policy
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Originally posted by azhai:
Personally I quite like our Malay friend except their religion. Because their religion causes us to eat our meals seperately hahaha. This is a pain in the ass. I am a free thinker. So I guess I am more receptive to different religion. My Christian friend can't say the same hahaha.
It depends to the Muslim individuals and many too eat together at the same table with their Non-Muslim colleagues that are eating pork or Non-Halal food. I'm one of them. I see this thing happens in Malaysia most of the time. I am a universal man. I have a brother who is a Christian and a Sister who is a Hindu. Both my decease Muslim parents went to Haj twice. I'm half Chinese and half Malay. -
Originally posted by azhai:
But you have missed the point. Here I am talking about Foreigners (Indian Nationals) taking over locals jobs. The confusion generated may resulted in racial disharmony.
Local people including or rather mainly PAP supporters are very confused. They thought that every Indian Nationals arrived in Singapore and the next day they are already Singaporeans. facepalm /.
PAP leaders can't run away from their responsible if their policy of bring in Indian Nationals to dominate our Finance Industry resulted in other Singaporeans envy and get angry and causes racial disharmony. They might have mistaken Indian Nationals to be local Indians hahaha. If PAP supporters are confused then most likely the rests will be confused too unlike you think PAP supporters are more stupid hahaha.
I'm not a PAP supporter but mind you this should opposition parties govern Singapore they will face this issues too. -
Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
To azhai.
Are you working in the Finance Industry in Singapore?
Singapore is an open economy and Singapore delegation has invited Indian companies to invest in Singapore and vise versa for Singapore companies to invest in India too. There are quite a number of Indian companies presence in Singapore and perhaps you are misluded to conclude that most of the key positions in the financial industry are occupied by Indian nationals. They will bring in their own people from India to oversee and run their companies key business positions here before they employ local Singaporeans should they intend to expand their business operations here. Singapore companies operating in Indian sub-continent will do likewise…this is one of the business strategy.
Indian nationals are mostly employed in the IT Industry in Singapore. Financial Industry are mainly dominated by professionals from the Western countries.
Actually I am a property agent. Every 100 condo tenants I come across 90 are Indian Nationals (Foreigners). They are mostly if not 100% employed in the Banking Industry. They could be senior bankers or software engineers but all the same the fact is they are all working in the Banking Industry. So I am very alarmed.
You are making a lot of wild guesses while mine is all first hand info. That is the different my friend.
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I was with MOM before I went into semi-retirement. You need to post some links that backs up your claimed.
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Originally posted by guardsmen74:
racial harmony is an important & danerous issue in singapore we don't need outsiders to stir shit in our singaporean's own internal affairs ( you know who you are ) i stand strongly for racial harmony eg. if a chinese say something bad about other races he will get a rude reply from me ( i m a chinese )
regarding foreign talents singapore is a small country with a small population compare to russia, china & america who are always the top few in olympic games as they have a large population . if anyone wants a certain post in the corporation work hard for it not just sit around complaining. you think about it would you want to pay more tax for a foreign talent if you can get a local with the same talent ? in the end we have only ourselve to be blame
Who is outsider ? I born here, serve 2.5 years NS in the 2nd Signal Battalion and studied in HCJC & NUS. facepalm/
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Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
I was with MOM before I went into semi-retirement. You need to post some links that backs up your claimed.
Dear Sir, I one man show here. No statistic. Please ask PAP govt for statistic. That is their areas of responsibilities I am sure.
Due to our government policies, the following condos have been conquered by India Citizens
Due to our government Finance Ministry biased policies in encouraging India Citizens to immigrate here , the following condo have been conquered by india citizens :
(I only know east side of Singapore)
1. Melville Park (The Chinese restaurant here has been converted to Indian restaurant)
2. Hawaii Tower (Almost 100% India Citizens now)
3. The Makena (Look at the pool and you know that There are more India Citizens than Singaporeans)
4. The Waterside (This is one of the first condo conquered by them)
5. Haig Court (One of the best freehold condo in the East is getting away from Singaporeans slowly but surely)
6. Fernwood Tower (At least 80% gone by looking at the people around the pool)
7. Mandarin Garden ( This is a very big condo but still it is slowly conquered by them outsider from India)
8. Eastpoint Green (This is also going away from Singaporeans at a faster rate than I wish)
9. Changi Rise (This is also one of their favourites. It is a spill-over from Melville Park)
Previously these were all belong to Singaporeans. Now they are mostly not.
I am sure there are more but I can't remember all off hand. So Singaporeans please be aware and be alerted to the change our Finance Ministry is making. -
overcrowding all I can say.
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Originally posted by azhai:
Dear Sir, I one man show here. No statistic. Please ask PAP govt for statistic. That is their areas of responsibilities I am sure.
Due to our government policies, the following condos have been conquered by India Citizens
Due to our government Finance Ministry biased policies in encouraging India Citizens to immigrate here , the following condo have been conquered by india citizens :
(I only know east side of Singapore)
1. Melville Park (The Chinese restaurant here has been converted to Indian restaurant)
2. Hawaii Tower (Almost 100% India Citizens now)
3. The Makena (Look at the pool and you know that There are more India Citizens than Singaporeans)
4. The Waterside (This is one of the first condo conquered by them)
5. Haig Court (One of the best freehold condo in the East is getting away from Singaporeans slowly but surely)
6. Fernwood Tower (At least 80% gone by looking at the people around the pool)
7. Mandarin Garden ( This is a very big condo but still it is slowly conquered by them outsider from India)
8. Eastpoint Green (This is also going away from Singaporeans at a faster rate than I wish)
9. Changi Rise (This is also one of their favourites. It is a spill-over from Melville Park)
Previously these were all belong to Singaporeans. Now they are mostly not.
I am sure there are more but I can't remember all off hand. So Singaporeans please be aware and be alerted to the change our Finance Ministry is making.
And the source of this material. It would help you more if you can come up with a link azhai. -
Originally posted by Clivebenss:
overcrowding all I can say.
Stay awhile and then cabut... -
Originally posted by guardsmen74:
please give hard evidences : banks & names of indian national foreigners
if 1 day finance minister is chinese 80% best banking will be for PRC and indian national foreigner will be send back india right ? anyone in their right mind will know whether this make sense or not.
you are stating problem not giving solutions throwing everything to government if they give wrong solutions you complain, now there are facebook for ministers give them your 2 cent worth
i said before the foreigners have the talent in their trade due to their large populations which singaporean lack, more people the percentage of the talent in that trade increase. there are jobs nobody wants to do when foreigners take up the job people start complaining,
U think why I post here ? I am a responsible citizen unlike people who doesn't care less until the issue exploded then starting to point finger. I don't like to post in the facebook because then they will sue me hahaha.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
when you specifically mentioned Chinese and Indian, you are generalizing and not very sensitive and it is this kind of generalization that is causing misunderstanding. don't blame the PAP or the garmen.
Bio Hawk is absolutely right about the ang moh, profit orientated and therefore either squeeze every drop out of local or replace them with cheap foreigners.
Before we continue to discuss, put race or nationality aside.
But Ang Moh number is still very small compared to Indian Nationals(Foreigners not Singaporeans mind you). So we have to tackle the more pressing issue. If 90 tenants out of 100 is Indian Nationals foreigners than we jolly well focus on them.
We cannot put nationality one side because we Singaporeans are being disadvantaged. If you put it one side then there is nothing to discuss anymore.
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Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
Are you sure about this? I think more to nationality discrimination rather than local racial disharmony among Singaporeans should this statement is true.Very sure. Things are bad. Time bomb ahead. When I said Chinese envy I am using Chinese to represent Singaporeans but the fact is most of are Chinese lah. So my statement wont be way off target.
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azhai you are talking about the properties market, tenancy rates and Indian nationality professional workers here. It doesn't really implies about the Financial Industry so much.
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azai, I think you meant this.... Singapore remains attractive hub for highly skilled Indians http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-06-19/news/29674548_1_singapore-indian-professionals-indian-students
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Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
Are you sure about this? I think more to nationality discrimination rather than local racial disharmony among Singaporeans should this statement is true.Alamak !
May be my explanation is not very clear. This is an issue of Foreigners(Indian Nationals) vs Locals but it can be easily transformed into a racial issue is all I am saying.
So we are in agreement here.
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Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
azhai you are talking about the properties market, tenancy rates and Indian nationality professional workers here. It doesn’t really implies about the Financial Industry so much.
I don't understand you. You have to explain better than that.
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Originally posted by azhai:
Alamak !
May be my explanation is not very clear. This is an issue of Foreigners(Indian Nationals) vs Locals but it can be easily transformed into a racial issue is all I am saying.
So we are in agreement here.
Not really azhai. Its like this...people come here to invest do business and make money...many too come here to work and then leave....this is what it meant by open economy unless the whole world return to protectionism policy again like in the past. Singaporeans too can work overseas and do business overseas or in India ...and make money and then return to Singapore...that is a fact right. -
Originally posted by guardsmen74:
please give hard evidences : banks & names of indian national foreigners
if 1 day finance minister is chinese 80% best banking will be for PRC and indian national foreigner will be send back india right ? anyone in their right mind will know whether this make sense or not.
you are stating problem not giving solutions throwing everything to government if they give wrong solutions you complain, now there are facebook for ministers give them your 2 cent worth
i said before the foreigners have the talent in their trade due to their large populations which singaporean lack, more people the percentage of the talent in that trade increase. there are jobs nobody wants to do when foreigners take up the job people start complaining,
I don't understnd your logic.
PAP is the government of today of course they have to solve the problems. We the people can only bring it up for them to take notice.
How am I going to solve them I have no resources. I don't collect tax. I don't own Tamasek Holding. I don't own the army and police. I am just one man show.
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Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
I remembered this incidence clearly. It took place in the 80s. There were silent activation to recall the respective reservists. Weapons all drawn out, in full SBO and on high stand-by. Artilleries were deployed around Singapore. This incidence is irrelevant here so what are you trying to say here?Not 80s lah hahaha. Only about 10 years ago. Your memory fails.
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Originally posted by azhai:
I don't understand you. You have to explain better than that.
Most of the foreign offshore banks and financial companies are from the western countries. U.S.A.and EC make the most bulk of it. Indian offshore banks and financial companies very few here. -
Originally posted by azhai:
Not 80s lah hahaha. Only about 10 years ago. Your memory fails.
Well, it happened in the 80s too during my time in the SAF. So what are you implying in your earlier statement? -
Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
Not really azhai. Its like this...people come here to invest do business and make money...many too come here to work and then leave....this is what it meant by open economy unless the whole world return to protectionism policy again like in the past. Singaporeans too can work overseas and do business overseas or in India ...and make money and then return to Singapore...that is a fact right.Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
Not really azhai. Its like this...people come here to invest do business and make money...many too come here to work and then leave....this is what it meant by open economy unless the whole world return to protectionism policy again like in the past. Singaporeans too can work overseas and do business overseas or in India ...and make money and then return to Singapore...that is a fact right.No no no !
Too many Indian Nationals(Foreigners) spoil the broth.
90% of the tenants are Indian Nationals from the Banking Industry.
This is bad !
Envy resulted angry and then problem. Case in point Malaysia.
We have to be more sensitive when come to racial issue.
May be you don't mind taking a risk.
But for me I don't want racial issue to explode.
So I forewarn PAP leaders here and now !
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Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
He is one of the Deputy PM of Singapore. What will happen do you think if one day he becomes the PM of Singapore?Emigrate loh. hahaha
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Originally posted by azhai:
Emigrate loh. hahaha
Really! Why? -
Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
Really! Why?aiya,I like to focus on one issue at a time. You go open another thread to discuss this.