Huge uproar over PM Lee's comments
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Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's open admission that PAP wards are favoured for HDB upgrading exercises has touched a raw nerve among netizens.
His admission came as a reply to a university student living in the Hougang Single-Member Constituency (SMC) ward who asked if he could pay less tax since the opposition-held ward does not enjoy upgrading programmes.Since this story was first posted, reaction has been swift with over 1,500 Facebook shares and 150 comments. The majority were highly critical of PM Lee's stand.
The highest-rated comment came from Yahoo! user Chia, who posted, "Upgrading is not delivered solely based on policies. It is driven by money from the reserves. The money comes from the people and not from PAP."
He added that, "It (upgrading) is a national building programme. A nation does not belong to any party but the people."
Another Yahoo! user, Davido, said, "I can't believe the PM said that, my only respect left for him is that he is candid enough to admit not all wards are treated equally."
User VKH was also appalled at the PM's comments.
He wrote, "I thought that as PM, he was there to represent ALL the people, without favour or preference. He is not the PM of just those he voted for, but for each and every Singapore citizen, including those who did not vote for him or his party... How can the PM say that if you vote for PAP, you get nice chocolate cake and coffee, but if you vote for other party you only get water and biscuit?"
The furious reaction comes a day after fourth-year engineering student Seah Yin Hwa asked PM Lee why residents living in Hougang SMC are penalised for picking "a 'Teochew nang' (dialect for Teochew person) who doesn't wear a white uniform"
When asked by PM Lee on how he was penalised, the 25-year-old Seah said, "When it comes to upgrading, what is being told to us is that we don't have the funds to actually go ahead with lift upgrading, as well as shelters to the bus stops. When I look across the road to Aljunied GRC, they have everything, " reported The Straits Times.
Paraphrasing the question posed, PM Lee said that what Mr Seah meant is why opposition wards are not treated at least as good, or maybe even better than the PAP wards.
PM Lee's reply was, "The answer is that there has to be a distinction. Because the PAP wards supported the Government and the policies which delivered these good things."
He said that while basic goods such roads, transportation, housing, healthcare and defence apply to Singaporeans, the extras — which come down to the upgrading programmes — is a national programme.
"Between the people who voted and supported the programme and the government, and the people who didn't, I think if we went and put yours before the PAP constituencies, it would be an injustice," PM Lee told the 1,200 students who were attending a Ministerial Forum organised by the National University of Singapore (NUS) Students' Political Association. .
In response to PM Lee, Seah cheekily asked if he could pay less tax and maybe "take one or two years off my NS?", which drew laughter and applause from the audience.
But PM Lee said that this is not possible because the SAF, defence, taxes and all the facilities which have been provided, are enjoyed by every Singaporean.
Rounding off his reply, PM Lee said, "But you can do something about it, you know. You don't have to keep voting for people not in white-on-white."
PM Lee explains ministerial salaries
The contentious issue of ministerial salaries was also discussed at the forum after a Nanyang Technological University (NTU) accountancy student brought it up, comparing the salaries of leaders from Singapore and the United States.
"The US president is actually paid less than a Cabinet minister in Singapore. I'm sure we agree his job is a lot tougher than our Cabinet ministers," said the student.
In his response, PM Lee said that US President Barack Obama may be earning less than a Singaporean minister, but the American system is not without its flaws.
For example, he highlighted that the US had different ways of rewarding its presidents and that the low salary of the president had suppressed salaries down the line.
Explaining his first point, PM Lee said that former US presidents are involved in money-spinning book and lecture tours after they step down.
"Retired US presidents go on book tours, they write books, they are paid US$10 million (S$13 million) advance, they get somebody to help them write a tome and they make a lecture tour…Every lecture (by former president) Bill Clinton: US$100,000 to US$200,000 for half an hour.
"That's the system. I think that's not a good system for us. We don't want ministers to retire and go on lecture tours."
Touching on his second point, PM Lee said the low salary of US presidents adversely impacted the rest of the civil service down the line.
"Because the president's pay being set at a level which is not quite right, all the rest of the civil service and government pay in the US system has to take dressing from there and come down…and come down," he said.
PM Lee stressed that Singapore's ministerial pay structure was one that works.
But when asked if salaries should still be pegged to the private sector given the many candidates taken from the civil service and unions, he replied, "The reason I can get good people from the Government and the unions is that I have a pay system which is working properly.
"People do not enter politics to get rich but neither will they enter politics and as a result, they and their family will become poor."
He added, "It is something which is not easy to accept emotionally but is the right thing for Singapore. If you want the system to work for the long term, you must be honest about it. What do I pay for? I pay for the importance of the job and how difficult it is to do."
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This was posted dunno how long ago leh.
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I did a search, cannot find the topic leh. hiding in one of the older threads izzit?
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Yes.
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catch u all all go jail then u know
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I thought its understood.
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Could have bought an entire town in US but yet over here, it's just a small condo... If house is affordable here according to our ministers, then US must be considered free housing already... Sometimes I really dunno what our ministers talking also... people here have to dedicate their whole lives to working to pay off the housing loan =) other people already pay finish within 3-5 years and spending their money on other things already.
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I remember this was quite a loooong time back wor... why suddenly dig it out again?
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mayb becos its worth digging out
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Originally posted by FunGuyWorkaholic:
Could have bought an entire town in US but yet over here, it's just a small condo... If house is affordable here according to our ministers, then US must be considered free housing already... Sometimes I really dunno what our ministers talking also... people here have to dedicate their whole lives to working to pay off the housing loan =) other people already pay finish within 3-5 years and spending their money on other things already.
if you buy the entire town in the US, live and work there, you may never be able to repay the loan there.
who are the people who pay finish the housing loan in 3 - 5 years? actually, some of my friends never need to pay at all.
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Originally posted by Honeybunz:
Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's open admission that PAP wards are favoured for HDB upgrading exercises has touched a raw nerve among netizens.
His admission came as a reply to a university student living in the Hougang Single-Member Constituency (SMC) ward who asked if he could pay less tax since the opposition-held ward does not enjoy upgrading programmes.Since this story was first posted, reaction has been swift with over 1,500 Facebook shares and 150 comments. The majority were highly critical of PM Lee's stand.
The highest-rated comment came from Yahoo! user Chia, who posted, "Upgrading is not delivered solely based on policies. It is driven by money from the reserves. The money comes from the people and not from PAP."
He added that, "It (upgrading) is a national building programme. A nation does not belong to any party but the people."
Another Yahoo! user, Davido, said, "I can't believe the PM said that, my only respect left for him is that he is candid enough to admit not all wards are treated equally."
User VKH was also appalled at the PM's comments.
He wrote, "I thought that as PM, he was there to represent ALL the people, without favour or preference. He is not the PM of just those he voted for, but for each and every Singapore citizen, including those who did not vote for him or his party... How can the PM say that if you vote for PAP, you get nice chocolate cake and coffee, but if you vote for other party you only get water and biscuit?"
The furious reaction comes a day after fourth-year engineering student Seah Yin Hwa asked PM Lee why residents living in Hougang SMC are penalised for picking "a 'Teochew nang' (dialect for Teochew person) who doesn't wear a white uniform"
When asked by PM Lee on how he was penalised, the 25-year-old Seah said, "When it comes to upgrading, what is being told to us is that we don't have the funds to actually go ahead with lift upgrading, as well as shelters to the bus stops. When I look across the road to Aljunied GRC, they have everything, " reported The Straits Times.
Paraphrasing the question posed, PM Lee said that what Mr Seah meant is why opposition wards are not treated at least as good, or maybe even better than the PAP wards.
PM Lee's reply was, "The answer is that there has to be a distinction. Because the PAP wards supported the Government and the policies which delivered these good things."
He said that while basic goods such roads, transportation, housing, healthcare and defence apply to Singaporeans, the extras — which come down to the upgrading programmes — is a national programme.
"Between the people who voted and supported the programme and the government, and the people who didn't, I think if we went and put yours before the PAP constituencies, it would be an injustice," PM Lee told the 1,200 students who were attending a Ministerial Forum organised by the National University of Singapore (NUS) Students' Political Association. .
In response to PM Lee, Seah cheekily asked if he could pay less tax and maybe "take one or two years off my NS?", which drew laughter and applause from the audience.
But PM Lee said that this is not possible because the SAF, defence, taxes and all the facilities which have been provided, are enjoyed by every Singaporean.
Rounding off his reply, PM Lee said, "But you can do something about it, you know. You don't have to keep voting for people not in white-on-white."
PM Lee explains ministerial salaries
The contentious issue of ministerial salaries was also discussed at the forum after a Nanyang Technological University (NTU) accountancy student brought it up, comparing the salaries of leaders from Singapore and the United States.
"The US president is actually paid less than a Cabinet minister in Singapore. I'm sure we agree his job is a lot tougher than our Cabinet ministers," said the student.
In his response, PM Lee said that US President Barack Obama may be earning less than a Singaporean minister, but the American system is not without its flaws.
For example, he highlighted that the US had different ways of rewarding its presidents and that the low salary of the president had suppressed salaries down the line.
Explaining his first point, PM Lee said that former US presidents are involved in money-spinning book and lecture tours after they step down.
"Retired US presidents go on book tours, they write books, they are paid US$10 million (S$13 million) advance, they get somebody to help them write a tome and they make a lecture tour…Every lecture (by former president) Bill Clinton: US$100,000 to US$200,000 for half an hour.
"That's the system. I think that's not a good system for us. We don't want ministers to retire and go on lecture tours."
Touching on his second point, PM Lee said the low salary of US presidents adversely impacted the rest of the civil service down the line.
"Because the president's pay being set at a level which is not quite right, all the rest of the civil service and government pay in the US system has to take dressing from there and come down…and come down," he said.
PM Lee stressed that Singapore's ministerial pay structure was one that works.
But when asked if salaries should still be pegged to the private sector given the many candidates taken from the civil service and unions, he replied, "The reason I can get good people from the Government and the unions is that I have a pay system which is working properly.
"People do not enter politics to get rich but neither will they enter politics and as a result, they and their family will become poor."
He added, "It is something which is not easy to accept emotionally but is the right thing for Singapore. If you want the system to work for the long term, you must be honest about it. What do I pay for? I pay for the importance of the job and how difficult it is to do."
uproar no use, you vote for them? or you get others to vote for opposition but you vote for them, and get the upgrade?
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2011 news?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
uproar no use, you vote for them? or you get others to vote for opposition but you vote for them, and get the upgrade?
Walkover, so how?
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Originally posted by charlize:
Walkover, so how?
people move house to stay within 1 km of the school they want their children to go. Move to where you can have a vote. Potong Pasir?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
people move house to stay within 1 km of the school they want their children to go. Move to where you can have a vote. Potong Pasir?
from what we see in last election, no more
walkover.Move house no need money?
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he can talk cock but cannot sing song leh
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Well, people will just have to suck thumb and live with their choices, aren't they.
I'm actually happy that the deserving are getting what they deserve.
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Originally posted by charlize:
Move house no need money?
ask the opposition to come to your constituency so you can vote for him lah....
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Originally posted by alize:
Well, people will just have to suck thumb and live with their choices, aren't they.
I'm actually happy that the deserving are getting what they deserve.
spot on man, "the deserving are getting what they derserve".
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PM Lee is currently busy with promoting Singapore Inc up in the international stage, this country is running out of ideas to move forward. Slow growth for the next 5 years yet people are demanding for more benefits which cost money.
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Simple lah! Just get him out of running the country. He is a spoilt brat. Time for him to learn life's lessons. This hopeless arrogant toad needs to hit the rock bottom to learn life's lessons the hard way.
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Originally posted by ahtansh:
PM Lee is currently busy with promoting Singapore Inc up in the international stage, this country is running out of ideas to move forward. Slow growth for the next 5 years yet people are demanding for more benefits which cost money.
PM only has to make the decision for the by-election. He need not be involved.
Just give the word, and the various political parties' machinery will swing into action.
Needless to say, his party has the advantage over the others. The others must make preparations now and be ready, the PAP knows when or if a by-election even going to take place.
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the little old fark is banking on S'poreans' ballslessness and selfish nature to vote for PAP.........
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How come people don't have the brains to see.
Holland Bukit Timah GRC
32,322 voted for SDP
Nee Soon GRC
57,482 voted for WP
Sembawang GRC
47,578 voted for SDP
Marine Parade GRC
59,833 voted for NSP
There are more.